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Isis Member Ascendant
since 1999-09-06
Posts 6296Sunny Queensland 
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OK another weird thing that has been annoying me of late... I have a number of people in my life or world that inspire me in various ways. Yet I know from first hand or things I have heard from others that people automatically believe you have a crush on them (the one that inspired you). Why is that? One man that inspires me and always has is my adoptive father, does that mean I love him and want to sleep with him? Of course not, how ridiculous. So if a male of any age inspires me to write better, or be a better person does that mean I want to sleep with him????? I realise jealousy is probably the basis here and of course everyone gets jealous. But I find this annoying and hurtful. Any ideas???? Isis *I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....* ~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit. |
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Kit McCallum
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Member Laureate
since 2000-04-30
Posts 14774Ontario, Canada |
That's really sad Isis ... things like that just make me wonder where or what people's priorities are. You should be able to write a tribute to anyone who's touched your heart, without fear of repercussion, inuendo or misinterpretation. I love to write about people who inspire me ... I've been doing this all my life. Anything from moms and dads, brother and sister, neice and nephews ... but I also love to write about friends and co-workers, and that includes both male and female. I've written 6 poetic tributes to friends and loved ones who have passed away, and read each of them at their funerals, in front of whole congregations. What that taught me, is that I do NOT want to wait until someone dies to let them now how much they've touched my heart in one form or another. People here, are no exception ... my heart has been inspired by many who grace these walls with their poetry and responses, and when touched by them, have written my thoughts in tribute, both men and women (hey Marge! *wink wink* LOL).  To my knowledge, I've never had anyone question my sincerity or intentions ... but then again, that wouldn't stop me anyway. I wrote a poem for my husband's uncle whom he adored as a child. I listened to so many of his stories, that I just sat down and wrote something out. I aged/baked and burnt the edges of the paper, and mounted it on a beautiful frame, but you know what? That poem sat on a shelf for 4 years because my husband was afraid the other uncles would misunderstand or be jealous. I finally convinced him to present it to his uncle about a year ago, and we received the warmest most beautiful response from everyone. He is a special man, and it felt so good to let him know. Oh boy ... I could go on forever here ... but I won't, hope that helps Isis!  [This message has been edited by Kit McCallum (edited 10-30-2000).] |
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Marge Tindal 
since 1999-11-06
Posts 42384Florida's Foreverly Shores |
Isis~ 'Small minds talk about small things.' I could give a tinkers darn less what others think of my intentions. If I adore someone, whether it be for inspiration, or just plain downright open admiration ... I'm not going to lose any sleep over what others think of it. However, I don't find it hurtful ... cause I don't usually resprect the opinions of people who think that way ! Actually, I find it quite rude to think that someone thinks they know me better than I know myself. So my advice is to look at the source, stick out your tongue out at them and go your merry way ! ~*Marge*~ ~*The pen of the poet never runs out of ink, as long as we breathe.*~ noles1@totcon.com |
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Parker Member Elite
since 2000-01-06
Posts 3129ON |
So if I wrote a poem about your smile, would that make you think I'm in love with it or you, or want you...... NO..... damn...doesn't this poetry stuff work anymore?  Parker |
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Christopher
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-02
Posts 8296Purgatorial Incarceration |
man - I'm with parker - and here I thought kit's poem meant she wanted me... damn... gonnagosulknow...~pout~  |
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Kit McCallum
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Member Laureate
since 2000-04-30
Posts 14774Ontario, Canada |
LOL ... Hey Chris ... I never said I didn't did I? LOL! Gonnasendahugnow ~smile~ no pouting allowed ... and don't go gettin' me in trouble now! [This message has been edited by Kit McCallum (edited 10-30-2000).] |
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Poet deVine
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
Who said this? From the beginning of time poets have written 'odes to' someone - it's just an 'honor' thing..you want to honor someone personally or for their work. No big deal. If I thought writing tributes would get me a man, Ron would have to close down Open Forum because I'd overload the system!!!  |
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Sven
since 1999-11-23
Posts 14937East Lansing, MI USA |
Hey, I'm with Parker on this one. . . you mean that all those poems that you wrote for me and you mean we're just. . . friends?? SHOOT!!!  Seriously, to go along with what deVine said, I've written a lot of "Tribute" poems for different people. I did two sets of what I liked to call "Members Challenges" for anyone that wanted me to write a poem about them (hey Parker, if you appeal to their vanity, that might work too!!! LOL ) but that doesn't mean that I want to sleep with the people that I wrote about. . . I just like them as friends. . . and that's all. . . Great question Lisa!! Now, go and see the poem I wrote for you in DP #2!! ------------------------------------------------------------ That which gives light must endure burning --Victor Frankl |
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Jamie Member Elite
since 2000-06-26
Posts 3168Blue Heaven |
Geee--- and I was hoping to inspire some unfortunate lady into sleeping with me. ( I have had insomnia and haven't slept in 20 years.....( trivia question here-- what is the significance of that # concerning sleep?) Jamie Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito. - Virgil. "Yield thou not to adversity, but press on the more bravely". |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
Unfortunate this is Isis...*hugs* I have a feeling that many who respond in that matter are, if not purely, then predominately cathartic poets, who only write about the ones they love/lust/adore/moon over/pine over/want but fear rejection to ask. The same type that will read a poem which contains the first person perspective and automatically assume that the writer is the speaker irregardless of actual intent or message. It's probably a good thing it's not rampant, or I'd be in real trouble from my Dark poems. |
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Christopher
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-02
Posts 8296Purgatorial Incarceration |
uhhh Jamie - I can't answer your question... but what're the odds of sharing that secret with me? I've managed to all but completely cut out sleep.. but can't seem to get rid of ALL of it... I'll pay good money... |
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Parker Member Elite
since 2000-01-06
Posts 3129ON |
Well, sven... I'd like to think that my romantic poetry appeals to their romantic heart, and not their vanity. Where has it ever been written that romance is about vanity. So that's how you do yours! Should you be publicly admitting this... Nope, not my style. Parker |
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Jamie Member Elite
since 2000-06-26
Posts 3168Blue Heaven |
C-- tis no secret, and concerns sleeping actually- 20 is the number of years our old friend Rip slept off that potion...(did ya think I just pulled the number from the cat's hat??..lol) Jamie Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito. - Virgil. "Yield thou not to adversity, but press on the more bravely". |
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Sven
since 1999-11-23
Posts 14937East Lansing, MI USA |
Oh Parker. . . I'm talking about the ones who have asked me to write poems for them. . . I'd like to think that my Romantic poetry appeals to the heart also. . . but sometimes, people like to see their name in print. I know that I do. . . And I didn't give away any of my secrets. . . well, I least I don't think that I did. . . ----------------------------------------------------- That which gives light must endure burning --Victor Frankl |
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Christopher
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-02
Posts 8296Purgatorial Incarceration |
*DUH* You know Jamie, I honestly thought about a fairy tale or something along the lines of that.. but then thought "NO, he's looking for something really profound..." ROFL - got me on that on. LOL C |
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Jamie Member Elite
since 2000-06-26
Posts 3168Blue Heaven |
Profound? Me?? Well,, since you mentioned it,Rip Van Winkle, by Washington Irving, is symbolic of the European sentiment towards the new society in America and establishes an identity before and after the American Revolution. Rip Van Winkle's character depicts the society of America as seen by England, whereas the England portrayed by his wife, Dame Van Winkle. The townspeople represent American society at large and how it changed with the realization of becoming an independent country. Rip Van Winkle was a "a kind neighbor, and an obedient hen-pecked husband". All the good wives of the village liked him because he was willing help at any time. "In a word Rip was ready to attend to anybody's business but his own; but as to doing family duty, and keeping his farm in order, he found it impossible." Seeing that Rip Van Winkle's family was deteriorating while the people of the town were profiting from his rebellion against the authority and possible needs of his family shows that the Crown was losing respect while America was gaining the loyalty of its own people. Rip's idleness could be perceived as the British perception that America was unwilling to focus on their duties as servants of the Crown. In representing the Crown, Dame Van Winkle would nag him to death over his duties so much that he would seek refuge from these tirades by going to town to sit in front of the tavern and remain idle with his friends. Even this did not prove to be an efficient escape because soon enough his wife would track him down to nag him and his colleagues further. This is a direct parallel to the political situation with the continued government control of Mother England. England was very domineering in their everyday lives and not willing to allow America its freedom. Americans were trying to avoid the tyranny of the Crown, just as Rip would do everything possible to escape his overbearing wife. The townspeople, in representing the American society, show how American society changed before and after the revolution. Before the revolution, it seemed that the townspeople were more complacent and unmotivated. This is representative of repression America experienced while under British rule. This furthered the opinion that Americans were just lazy and unproductive subjects of the Crown. The revolution awoke the fire within the American Spirit and the townspeople became alive with anticipation of their new self government. When Rip came back to town after his 20 year nap, the townspeople were filled with a new found energy looking forward to the next elections. They asked questions of political nature as opposed to before when all conversation was idle gossip. RPV demonstrates the change in America's ideals due to the transition experienced through the American Revolution. This story gives us insight into the internal personalities of the American colonists and how the passage of time changes a society. < !signature--> Jamie Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito. - Virgil. "Yield thou not to adversity, but press on the more bravely". [This message has been edited by Prometheus (edited 10-31-2000).] |
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Christopher
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-02
Posts 8296Purgatorial Incarceration |
Ok show-off! LOL So how does it relate to YOU? |
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Jamie Member Elite
since 2000-06-26
Posts 3168Blue Heaven |
Just an exaggeration of terms-- Sometimes I don't sleep for days... and most of the time when I do, it is not much-- I just do not sleep much,, much like yourself I gather,,, and I refuse to take sleep aids..( other than a nice cold Icehouse or 2 just before bedtime)-- I found that when taking those things I awoke feeling like I had not slept at all.... ...sorry you asked?????  [This message has been edited by Prometheus (edited 10-31-2000).] |
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Isis Member Ascendant
since 1999-09-06
Posts 6296Sunny Queensland |
Thanks for answering everyone. But it's not just poetry I refer too, if I honour anyone or think any guy is wonderful be they in my life, on TV etc, why do people presume you are in love with them or want to sleep with them. Why can't people accept that there are men out there who can inspire you, who aren't your husband, and that doesn't mean you want to sleep with him. Hell Buddah himself inspires me but I sure as heck don't want him LOL..... All people not only spouses seem to do this male or female, 'presume' they want so and so. It's wrong, unfair and could ruin many wonderful friendships etc.. Isis *I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....* ~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit. |
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Poet deVine
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
I think you're generalizing here Isis. Not ALL men think that way..nor do ALL women!  |
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Isis Member Ascendant
since 1999-09-06
Posts 6296Sunny Queensland |
And I nearly forgot thanks for the *hug* Alicat You've inspired me to *hug* hell that must mean I want to sleep with you too!!!!! LOL Isis *I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....* ~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit. |
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Jamie Member Elite
since 2000-06-26
Posts 3168Blue Heaven |
Sharon-- so now you are saying Isis is hitting on Generals???-- Jamie Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito. - Virgil. "Yield thou not to adversity, but press on the more bravely". |
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Isis Member Ascendant
since 1999-09-06
Posts 6296Sunny Queensland |
How am I generalising it Sharon? In my personal life, in working life, here in Passions people presume the worst they do!!! Like that old saying 'sleep your way to the top!' same deal. You can like a man have him inspire you but you don't want to sleep with him... my father a classic example. A doctor. If a girlfriend inspires me and I write her a poem does that make me a lesbian? If I say I love you Sharon am I a lesbian?? People are too quick to judge and usually take things the wrong way.. that is all I'm saying.... Isis *I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....* ~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit. |
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Parker Member Elite
since 2000-01-06
Posts 3129ON |
Isis, so is that why you haven't responded to my remarks.... cause you don't want them to know you want to sleep with me... oh, I mean you don't want them to assume that you've been thinking about sleeping with me.... So all in all, most dealings between men and women are just harmless show's of affection. So if I harmlessly said you had a nice body... would you then hold it against me.  Parker [This message has been edited by Haleyja (edited 11-01-2000).] |
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Isis Member Ascendant
since 1999-09-06
Posts 6296Sunny Queensland |
Parker, Ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh it's our little secret LOL If you said I had a nice body I would take it as a compliment only, NOT that you wanted to sleep with me.. ROFL Have you got nothing better to do than stir up more trouble for me???? Isis *I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....* ~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit. |
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Sven
since 1999-11-23
Posts 14937East Lansing, MI USA |
I wonder sometimes how you can be specific without being general. . . I mean. . . there are exceptions to every rule. . . could we take that as standard that this is right? And Isis, I thought that you were holding your body against me?? lol ---------------------------------------------------------- That which gives light must endure burning --Victor Frankl |
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Parker Member Elite
since 2000-01-06
Posts 3129ON |
Nope... nothing better to do.. since the un-obvious approach is not working. yes I do... |
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Poet deVine
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
Parker, obviously you are barking up the wrong moderator!! LOL How can you say ALL of one group, be they Passions members or all men would think ONE thing...If I see someone write 'I love you' to a person of the same sex, I do not think they mean it in the 'intimate' way (though Serenity has promised to have my baby!!! LOL) Better to phrase your question: "I have a friend who thinks I want to sleep with him because I wrote a poem about him and dedicated it to him." That is specific. Not all men would think this way. |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
since 2000-02-02
Posts 27738 |
My God woman---is nothing sacred? ROFLMAO... okay...now where did I put those knitting needles... Ouch. Oh. Found 'em. Later crazy poet people!!! and hey, I love you ALL. sheesh...now talk about yer inspiration! WOW. |
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Parker Member Elite
since 2000-01-06
Posts 3129ON |
Oh, yeah.... and you too Poet deVine..... bark bark.. |
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Isis Member Ascendant
since 1999-09-06
Posts 6296Sunny Queensland |
Parker behave!!!!!! Sven, I noticed Parker cos the friction between our bodies had been broken only temporarily LOL.. I'm yours for all eternity LOL PDV Ok I may have generalised it a bit but y'all get my drift anyways.... Isis *I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....* ~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit. |
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Sven
since 1999-11-23
Posts 14937East Lansing, MI USA |
Why do we have to be specific though? I mean can't we just talk generally without arguing about semantics? Just wondering. . . Oh, and Isis. . . glad that you're back where you belong. . . lol. . . ---------------------------------------------------------- That which gives light must endure burning --Victor Frankl |
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Isis Member Ascendant
since 1999-09-06
Posts 6296Sunny Queensland |
As if there is anywhere else I'd rather be, can't think of a single place .... Isis *I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....* ~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit. |
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Isis Member Ascendant
since 1999-09-06
Posts 6296Sunny Queensland |
As if there is anywhere else I'd rather be, can't think of a single place .... Isis *I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....* ~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit. |
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Parker Member Elite
since 2000-01-06
Posts 3129ON |
ok, Isis you don't have to repeat it... I get the message.. You must be sleeping with him....lol. |
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Sven
since 1999-11-23
Posts 14937East Lansing, MI USA |
Just so we're all clear on that Parker. . . LOL -------------------------------------------------------- That which gives light must endure burning --Victor Frankl |
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Isis Member Ascendant
since 1999-09-06
Posts 6296Sunny Queensland |
Parker LOL I did accidentally put it in twice, not making any point LOL I don't have to my Sven will make it for me LOL Isis P.S. Guys make more trouble than women ever could. *Wink* Ok I am waiting for the attack now.. *I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....* ~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit. |
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Christopher
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-02
Posts 8296Purgatorial Incarceration |
The only attack I'm gonna give is that I think Sharon's right - generalization is a bad idea, so is, Sven, saying something so unquantifiable is a "general rule." I think when you're making assumptions, semantics have to be involved. Using this issue as an example: If you quantify the "problem" as a general rule, then you're taking it out of focus, I believe. Not all people are like that, not all men, not, Isis, all women. Some people are/can be like that - but there is a whole section of the populace (many of them here in these forums) whom have no problem accepting something at face-value. If you make it a general rule, then you are setting aside the rest as abnormal. Now granted, that may not be bad in this case, but I think it's a bit close minded to assume something which you can in no way quantify - ESPECIALLY, when you have some sort of refutation before your very eyes. Most I've seen appreciate the openness and the caring quality someone puts into their poems... Just a couple of thoughts, and no attacks. Chris [This message has been edited by Christopher (edited 11-04-2000).] |
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Christopher
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-02
Posts 8296Purgatorial Incarceration |
at least not today... [This message has been edited by Christopher (edited 11-04-2000).] |
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Sven
since 1999-11-23
Posts 14937East Lansing, MI USA |
Well, okay then. . . does that mean that we have to now be specific about everything that we talk about? I mean, I would think that everyone here knows that there are always exceptions to every rule. . . that you can't just make "blanket statements" about everything. . . it just doesn't work that way. . . So, why do we have to discuss the fact that there are those exceptions? --------------------------------------------------------- That which gives light must endure burning --Victor Frankl |
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Isis Member Ascendant
since 1999-09-06
Posts 6296Sunny Queensland |
Also somebody may sort of 'generalise' it for privacy sake or whatever. It is quite obvious what I was whining about. Not just poetry tributes but the general attitude of people always thinking the worst of someone. Like I am inspired by my father, say I love him, does that mean I want him? I am inspired by Sven, we are very close, we write poetry about and for each other, we leave caring, understanding responses does that mean we are in love? No! I am inspired by an author, love his mind etc, do I love him? No! But if you speak very highly of men or even women in some cases, people presume you have a 'thing' for them. One last example. I love Xena Warrior Princess (it is not trash there is a lot of deep underthoughts etc if watched properly) and I am quite inspired by a character in the series named Eli. He was like Jesus but earlier in time. I have a wallpaper of him on my computer, I wrote down his quotes, put his sound quotes on the computer, wrote a few poems about him and the fictional Isis, now my husband says and believes I am in love with him. Again? Can't you be inspired by someone, want little reminders without it being construed as a crush? Ok it could be my hubby is insecure that is one account, but it doesn't account for all the others who presume the same thing... And that is what wearyed me and why I whinged, for people ARE generally to quick to judge, or assume wrong about other people. It is in our nature to destroy ourselves.... and this example is tinder... Isis *I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....* ~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit. |
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Christopher
Moderator
Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-02
Posts 8296Purgatorial Incarceration |
I guess that's the thing Sven - I don't think it is a rule as you've put it. I think the rule would be rather that people appreciate the caring someone puts into a tribute or inspired poem, and the exception would be those who think it means something deeper than intended. That's just the opinion I've garnered over the past year and a half of reading here. No offense intented, but I think sometimes we can see something bad and assume that it's the rule rather than the exception. Chris |
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Parker Member Elite
since 2000-01-06
Posts 3129ON |
So your not really denying sleeping with him, as far as I can tell... Parker |
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Sven
since 1999-11-23
Posts 14937East Lansing, MI USA |
Well, you're right Christopher. . . and I wish that it wasn't that way. . .but maybe we can change that (?). Well Parker. . . I know that she's not denying it, but I'm confirming that she's denying that I denied that she comfirmed it. . . --------------------------------------------------------- That which gives light must endure burning --Victor Frankl |
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warmhrt Senior Member
since 1999-12-18
Posts 1563 |
Isis, Men and women being close friends has, and always will, cause certain people to talk. It's a fact of life, as many don't know how to be "just" friends with a member of the opposite sex. There can be playful flirting, and even sexual innuendo, between male and female friends, but that does not mean there's anything else going on. It's just human nature. Hope I was of some help. mia ...got to be somewhere better than in the middle...~Wallflowers |
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Isis Member Ascendant
since 1999-09-06
Posts 6296Sunny Queensland |
Thanks Mia!!! Well I wish those sort of people would stop it, it has the potential to cause great problems and heartache so unnecessarily... Parker as Sven said who am I to deny or confirm or reaffirm anything LOL I deny confirming anything *I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....* ~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit. |
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Elizabeth Cor Senior Member
since 2000-10-13
Posts 879Over the river and through the woods |
I guess this means Doreen, Chris, and I are getting it on... sheesh, poetry trios? I don't know if I can handle this... ~ Beth |
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RainbowGirl Member Elite
since 1999-07-31
Posts 3023United Kingdom |
Isis: Haven't got a clue what you're talking about...*g* but if people want to prattle about mindless gossip, give them something to talk about cause then they won't have time to talk about anyone else...LOL Seriously kiddo, you do what you want, however you want, whenever you flipping well feel like it cause the only person you have to answer to is yourself.. HUSG |
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