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Sven
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25 posted 11-02-2000 12:44 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

I wonder sometimes how you can be specific without being general. . .

I mean. . . there are exceptions to every rule. . . could we take that as standard that this is right?  

And Isis, I thought that you were holding your body against me??    lol    

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26 posted 11-02-2000 01:20 PM       View Profile for Parker   Email Parker   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Parker's Home Page   View IP for Parker

Nope... nothing better to do..  

since the un-obvious approach is not working.
yes I do...      
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27 posted 11-02-2000 02:56 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Parker, obviously you are barking up the wrong moderator!! LOL

How can you say ALL of one group, be they Passions members or all men would think ONE thing...If I see someone write 'I love you' to a person of the same sex, I do not think they mean it in the 'intimate' way (though Serenity has promised to have my baby!!! LOL)

Better to phrase your question:

"I have a friend who thinks I want to sleep with him because I wrote a poem about him and dedicated it to him." That is specific.

Not all men would think this way.
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28 posted 11-02-2000 03:16 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

My God woman---is nothing sacred?

ROFLMAO...

okay...now where did I put those knitting needles...

Ouch.  Oh.  Found 'em.

Later crazy poet people!!!  and hey, I love you ALL.  sheesh...now talk about yer inspiration!  WOW.
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29 posted 11-02-2000 04:23 PM       View Profile for Parker   Email Parker   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Parker's Home Page   View IP for Parker

Oh, yeah.... and you too Poet deVine..... bark bark..  
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30 posted 11-02-2000 05:22 PM       View Profile for Isis   Email Isis   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Isis's Home Page   View IP for Isis

Parker behave!!!!!!  
Sven, I noticed Parker cos the friction between our bodies had been broken only temporarily LOL..  I'm yours for all eternity LOL
PDV Ok I may have generalised it a bit but y'all get my drift anyways....
Isis

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~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit.
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31 posted 11-02-2000 11:13 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

Why do we have to be specific though?  I mean can't we just talk generally without arguing about semantics?  

Just wondering. . .  

Oh, and Isis. . . glad that you're back where you belong. . . lol. . .  

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32 posted 11-02-2000 11:22 PM       View Profile for Isis   Email Isis   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Isis's Home Page   View IP for Isis

As if there is anywhere else I'd rather be, can't think of a single place ....
Isis

*I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....*
~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit.
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33 posted 11-02-2000 11:22 PM       View Profile for Isis   Email Isis   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Isis's Home Page   View IP for Isis

As if there is anywhere else I'd rather be, can't think of a single place ....
Isis

*I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....*
~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit.
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34 posted 11-03-2000 12:37 AM       View Profile for Parker   Email Parker   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Parker's Home Page   View IP for Parker

ok, Isis you don't have to repeat it... I get the message..  

You must be sleeping with him....lol.
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35 posted 11-03-2000 12:59 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

Just so we're all clear on that Parker. . .

LOL    

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36 posted 11-03-2000 10:33 PM       View Profile for Isis   Email Isis   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Isis's Home Page   View IP for Isis

Parker LOL I did accidentally put it in twice, not making any point LOL
I don't have to my Sven will make it for me LOL
Isis
P.S.  Guys make more trouble than women ever could. *Wink*  Ok I am waiting for the attack now..


*I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....*
~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit.
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37 posted 11-04-2000 01:07 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

The only attack I'm gonna give is that I think Sharon's right - generalization is a bad idea, so is, Sven, saying something so unquantifiable is a "general rule." I think when you're making assumptions, semantics have to be involved. Using this issue as an example: If you quantify the "problem" as a general rule, then you're taking it out of focus, I believe. Not all people are like that, not all men, not, Isis, all women. Some people are/can be like that - but there is a whole section of the populace (many of them here in these forums) whom have no problem accepting something at face-value. If you make it a general rule, then you are setting aside the rest as abnormal. Now granted, that may not be bad in this case, but I think it's a bit close minded to assume something which you can in no way quantify - ESPECIALLY, when you have some sort of refutation before your very eyes. Most I've seen appreciate the openness and the caring quality someone puts into their poems...

Just a couple of thoughts, and no attacks.

Chris

[This message has been edited by Christopher (edited 11-04-2000).]
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38 posted 11-04-2000 01:09 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

at least not today...

[This message has been edited by Christopher (edited 11-04-2000).]
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39 posted 11-04-2000 02:33 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

Well, okay then. . . does that mean that we have to now be specific about everything that we talk about?

I mean, I would think that everyone here knows that there are always exceptions to every rule. . . that you can't just make "blanket statements" about everything. . . it just doesn't work that way. . .

So, why do we have to discuss the fact that there are those exceptions?

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40 posted 11-05-2000 07:02 PM       View Profile for Isis   Email Isis   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Isis's Home Page   View IP for Isis

Also somebody may sort of 'generalise' it for privacy sake or whatever.  It is quite obvious what I was whining about.  Not just poetry tributes but the general attitude of people always thinking the worst of someone.

Like I am inspired by my father, say I love him, does that mean I want him?

I am inspired by Sven, we are very close, we write poetry about and for each other, we leave caring, understanding responses does that mean we are in love?  No!

I am inspired by an author, love his mind etc, do I love him?  No!

But if you speak very highly of men or even women in some cases, people presume you have a 'thing' for them.

One last example.  I love Xena Warrior Princess (it is not trash there is a lot of deep underthoughts etc if watched properly) and I am quite inspired by a character in the series named Eli.  He was like Jesus but earlier in time.  I have a wallpaper of him on my computer, I wrote down his quotes, put his sound quotes on the computer, wrote a few poems about him and the fictional Isis, now my husband says and believes I am in love with him.  Again?  Can't you be inspired by someone, want little reminders without it being construed as a crush?  Ok it could be my hubby is insecure that is one account, but it doesn't account for all the others who presume the same thing...
And that is what wearyed me and why I whinged, for people ARE generally to quick to judge, or assume wrong about other people.
It is in our nature to destroy ourselves.... and this example is tinder...
Isis

*I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....*
~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit.
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41 posted 11-05-2000 07:16 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

I guess that's the thing Sven - I don't think it is a rule as you've put it. I think the rule would be rather that people appreciate the caring someone puts into a tribute or inspired poem, and the exception would be those who think it means something deeper than intended. That's just the opinion I've garnered over the past year and a half of reading here. No offense intented, but I think sometimes we can see something bad and assume that it's the rule rather than the exception.  

Chris
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42 posted 11-08-2000 01:25 AM       View Profile for Parker   Email Parker   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Parker's Home Page   View IP for Parker

So your not really denying sleeping with him, as far as I can tell...  


Parker
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43 posted 11-08-2000 11:24 AM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

Well, you're right Christopher. . . and I wish that it wasn't that way. . .but maybe we can change that (?).

Well Parker. . . I know that she's not denying it, but I'm confirming that she's denying that I denied that she comfirmed it. . .  

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44 posted 11-08-2000 12:06 PM       View Profile for warmhrt   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for warmhrt

Isis,

Men and women being close friends has, and always will, cause certain people to talk. It's a fact of life, as many don't know how to be "just" friends with a member of the opposite sex. There can be playful flirting, and even sexual innuendo, between male and female friends, but that does not mean there's anything else going on. It's just human nature. Hope I was of some help.
mia

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45 posted 11-08-2000 11:46 PM       View Profile for Isis   Email Isis   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Isis's Home Page   View IP for Isis

Thanks Mia!!!  Well I wish those sort of people would stop it, it has the potential to cause great problems and heartache so unnecessarily...

Parker as Sven said who am I to deny or confirm or reaffirm anything LOL  I deny confirming anything  

*I believe every time you put your words to paper, you change. Each feeling is set free, and you may follow.....*
~Isis~~Sovereign of the Spirit.
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46 posted 11-09-2000 05:33 PM       View Profile for Elizabeth Cor   Email Elizabeth Cor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Elizabeth Cor

I guess this means Doreen, Chris, and I are getting it on... sheesh, poetry trios? I don't know if I can handle this...

~ Beth
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47 posted 11-10-2000 10:00 AM       View Profile for RainbowGirl   Email RainbowGirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit RainbowGirl's Home Page   View IP for RainbowGirl

Isis: Haven't got a clue what you're talking about...*g* but if people want to prattle about mindless gossip, give them something to talk about cause then they won't have time to talk about anyone else...LOL

Seriously kiddo, you do what you want, however you want, whenever you flipping well feel like it cause the only person you have to answer to is yourself..

HUSG
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