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drummerboy678
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0 posted 2004-05-27 12:28 PM


Ok, hopefully this post will not be deleted by a moderator.  I understand if it is, as its not related to poetry, more to the general workings of this forum.

I love posting in this forum, for a couple reasons.  One, the other forums are rather intimidating, posting in the same place where professional poets do.  Also, posting here is great, because everyone can relate to the problems you may have.

But what I dont like is the general nature of this forum.  I could post anything I want, and I guarantee that I would receive a barage of "awww, great write" and "super job sweetie... hugzzz".  

This doesn't work for me.  Some people may enjoy "being lied to" (as Young Blood said), but I dont think that is helping us as poets, which whether you like the label or not, posting in a poetry forum, that is what you are assuming yourself to be.

I know a lot of people write for the sake of expressing feelings, and just saying what they feel.  Thats fine, but dont post every vent and rant you have on a forum that is designed for growth.

Almost all the poems on this forum are cliched, include incredibly forced rhymes, or filled with misspellings, yet almost all these poems are replied to with incredibly generous comments.  How are supposed to learn at all?

Now, this post may be deleted in 10 minutes.  It may be read by some, skimmed by others, or completely piss off members as well.  But I'm writing it not to make anyone mad or hurt, but simply to improve the forum.  

So please, before you post, reread your poem and think, is this really my best work?  If it is, then hit the post button, and prepare for any comments you receive (which hopefully will not be all positive).  
Before you reply, actually read the poem (I'm sure some reply to poems they've never read), and then tell what you really feel about it.  Give them criticism.  Disect the poem.  
Help the poet, and you will be helped later in return.

Thanks for reading, and please take what I've said into consideration.

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sweet_cute_palestinian04
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1 posted 2004-05-27 12:38 PM




i saw the reply on spine's and i really wanna know what you think,,,about keeping your mouth shut??,,,no no sir please sayy as you wish ,i really dont mind,,your opinion is only what you think,, i really wanna hear the truth ,,, weelll thanks anywayzz love peace

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2 posted 2004-05-27 07:44 AM


I have decided to let this stay as  as I too feel it is important for discussion to go on...I can not tell you if  another MOD and or ADMIN will remove this and place it in a more suitable forum if so it will most likely go to feelings? just so you know it wont be deleted, but possibly moved.......I want to say too if you are looking for more then awww and ohhhhs on poetry then you can check off

"encourages Constructive Critiques:" I do not see where you encourage that, and basically it pretty well stands that if you arent "asking for it" you wont get it....make sense? also, I know how scary critical Analysis could be, but give it a chance, they are good people there, and will help you  develope as a writer if thats what you are looking for, also the workshop might be a good place to start as well....if I can help in any way... let me know....good luck, and thank you for this...  

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3 posted 2004-05-27 08:01 AM


I agree with Greeneyes for leaving this post here, but as well i dont know if it will get moved...but..
she is right, check the "critque' option and specify what you are looking for in a reply.

Part of existing in a society, even one on the net, is learning to be tolerant of other people's "ways"...learning to be supportive of a person regardless of what you think of their poetry. They share this space with you and deserve a chance to speak...there is nothing wrong with "nice" comments.
Just because you didnt enjoy the poem doesnt mean someone else cant find it great.

I do understand the spell check, so on and so forth...And Greeneyes is right, go to the critique forum and give it a try, you will get plenty of solid critque there.

Basically my long winded way of saying that some people are here for the community involvement and some are here for expanding their poetry to new levels. I appreciate both types

I dont want to see you get discouraged, there is alot here at PIP that you can learn from.

and i bet, what you may find cliche' often has very deep layers and takes patience to unfold.

This is just my opinion, not necessarily stated well, but stated nonetheless.


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4 posted 2004-05-27 07:55 PM


I agree with everything you said. I would rather have someone tell me my poem is horrible and tell me how to make it better, than for someone to say oh it's awesome, great poem, perfect, ect.
If the person who reads it really thinks it's perfect then it's okay for them to write it, but if you don't say what you're thinking!!!
Just because everyone else that has replied has said something nice, doesn't mean you have to!!!
Thanks for listening....

~Alli~

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5 posted 2004-05-27 10:00 PM


Kudos to you for speaking your mind, and to green eyes for letting it stand. It can get a bit on the down side, getting all broken record "good write"'s. I try to put a little something into my replys, as to how a write makes me feel, or think of, or relate to something in my world,,,then, drop a "good job", if I do read something, and it doesn't inspire more than "good job", I dont reply.....

Michelle

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6 posted 2004-05-27 10:08 PM


I wish I could help you.  Teen Poetry used to be a lot better than this, and the replies were more sincere than this.  But I've realized something in all my years here at piptalk...

People post here for different reasons.  Learn who those people are who are interested in actually growing as poets, giving feedback, etc... respond to them as you'd like to be responded to.  Those members, on the other hand, who don't share your philosophy and simply want to share comments and feelings (and I agree there's a high percentage of such poets in the Teen forum these days), simply don't respond to their poetry and they won't bother you.

You can always live by example.  I did so ages ago, and a few other people along with me in the Teen forum started a happy trend of elaborate and sincere responses.  Go look around the archives, Teen Poetry #3 and #4 in particular, and see if you agree with me...

It all has to do with developing a sense of community.  The closer you are as poets the more sincere and useful any reponses you get to your poetry may be.

Hope this helps.

Brian

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7 posted 2004-05-27 11:47 PM


Bravo to all of you for getting your feelings out! I must agree with Local on the fact that the teen section used to be a tad bit different in its replies but if you really want to get it critiqued you really must check that box and also realize that while it gets sometimes repitive to read "great write, luv ya!" some people don't know how to critique poetry, thats why there is a forum specailly for it. I am glad that this post is in here, however, for I get very frusterated with many of the same things myself, just remember...only WE can change it if we don't like it...
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drummerboy678
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8 posted 2004-05-29 01:04 AM


Thanks for all your responses... I wasn't sure what kind of reactions I'd get for this, but I appreciate ya'll letting it stand.
I just found out about the "constructive critiques", which I checked now, but I will also try to respond to others how I would like to be responded to.

Again, thanks for expressing your opinions, and we'll try to get the teen forum back to how it was.

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9 posted 2004-05-29 08:39 AM


I commend you for wanting to improve your craft. A lot of poets want to write and get feedback just for the sake of getting it. Others, like you, want to become better writers. I urge you (and those who also want to become better) to join the Poetry Workshop, there's always something new being taught there. Also, if you like, ask someone whose work you respect to help you out. I think you'll find most people here are more than willing to go the extra mile to help a fellow PiPster improve.

I see NO reason to move this thread. It's here so the Teens can read it (I hope they all do). But please don't feel that you can't join the CA forum, they really don't bite over there (except on Thursday! LOL).

Let me or any Mod know if you have any suggestions for making PiP a better place to grow in...or post in the suggestion forum. Good luck..I think you're on the right track!!!

Rommance_Touch
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10 posted 2004-05-29 01:12 PM


NICE comment you did. Really, some ppl just say Wonderfull, amazing, just to be compliment...i really wrote some poems, and in one of them i asked who rate this poem, blame me or say thats good or wrong,,,,but its out...
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11 posted 2004-06-01 12:15 PM


IMHO.. I won't humor anyone. I won't tell you that something is awesome if it's not, and I dislike the current use of slang, intentional improper spelling in poetry these days, so I have pretty much abandoned the teen forums in search of something better. I come here occasionally to read stuff by young blood and you, drummer, but otherwise, I dislike the majority of what I find. It seems as though the comments that are given here are given because people either do not want to put that much thought into anything that they are saying or they are not actually reading the poems. I'm not sure what's going on these days, but I remember what the forums used to be and it's changed drastically in the past few years. That's all I can think of to say right now.
young_blood
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12 posted 2004-06-01 02:37 PM


well said drummerboy. i agree with everything you said. my thinking in reading and posting poetry is
1.how can i learn from this
2.how can i help the writer
3.is there any deeper meaning.
now, most of the poems on this forum are terrible. honestly, i get sick of reading the same poem over and over, the only thing that changes is the author. as far as the whole "constructive critique" thing goes, i think that if they are posting it, then others should critique it. if i am going to take the time to read someone's poem and it sucks, i will tell them and then tell them how to improve. the problem is that PIP is almost too tolerant. It's ruins a forum when a whole lot of crap is in it and you have sort through it to find the nugget of goodness. it is my opinion that this forum should allow harsher comments in the name of improvement. this is the reason i stopped posting here. i got the same replies over and over. it was almost as if people didn't how to critique my work. it is very frustrating. anyway, props to drummerboy for saying something.

young_blood
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13 posted 2004-06-01 02:39 PM


oh many people have said something about the critical analysis forum, but i have posted 4 peices in there and have not recieved any replies. it sucks
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