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On the other hand, it seems reasonable to me to find value in the religious process itself whether or not it is true. I know you don't buy that but don't misunderstand me. I don't mean that in any pejorative sense.
And don't get me wrong either Brad. I probably strained a bit in that statement about Spong and Hitchens. I don't fail to appreciate that some people can appreciate "Faith" for what they see as sociological or psychological benefits. It's just that for me, the whole idea of "good" and "right" makes no sense apart from God, rendering sociological benefit, by itself, an insipid and untenable idea. I also feel that atheists who hold any serious notion of moral good, only do so by arbitrarily presuming upon a worldview foreign to their own. In such a muddle, I sometimes find myself appreciating those voices, like St. Paul's, which have underscored the inevitability of final choices ... what C.S. Lewis referred to as the "Great Divorce". I too, certainly don't mean any of this as perjorative, only as descriptive.
And yet, that doesn't mean I don't sometime appreciate some common ground, even if we're on different roads. I think all of that serves a purpose.
I would always look forward to your thoughts on some of the more common arguments for God. Though I'd still insist that Christian apologetics, at its best, does not depend upon a lynch pin, or silver-bullet argument (I know that TAG has been used this way). Rather all of these thoughts, in addition to many outside of these categories, illuminate what Christians consider to be good evidence, not irrefutable proof.
Always good to chat Brad.
But about that melodramatic video clip ... I suspect the "majority" status in many of those categories was assumed, as well as the notion that most Christians want atheists simply to pack up and leave. In my version, they are our fellow human beings and even friends.
Hey Moonbeam, good to see you!
Anyway I was taught that we are all miserable sinners who "are not worthy even to gather up the crumbs under your table"
"Yes, Lord,” she said, “but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.”
The doctrine of Original Sin tells us we are fallen gods, not swine. I guess that's why we can't quite shake the desire to sit at the table. Therefore those doctrines of depravity which forget whose image we were made in, don't sit well with most of us.