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Falling rain
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0 posted 02-23-2010 06:29 PM       View Profile for Falling rain   Email Falling rain   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Falling rain's Home Page   View IP for Falling rain


Which came first? The chicken or the egg?

My Answer: A circle has no beginning and no end.
Meaning: A cycle such as reproduction has no beginning or end. Its almost like the Universe.

What do you guys think?
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But the universe, most scientists would agree, has a beginning and an end.
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I think they would also agree that eggs came about much earlier than chickens.   Living things were certainly around before the first egg was ever laid, but the first egg was certainly laid long before the first chicken or any other bird.


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"Science, that hutch for grubby schoolboys!"

Theodore Roethke
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     I think the question is actually about "chicken eggs" rather  than eggs in general.  Fish lay eggs as well.

     Of course, here we run into some danger of talking about precident.  Were there fish before there were chickens?  The majority of scientists that Stephen speaks about would agree about that as well as.  However when you start to speak of evolution, he gets a bit more parsimonious about what he's willing to grant to the majority of scientists.  

     For that matter, one wonders what the majority of eggs would have to say about chickens.  I would venture to say that it's entirely likely that their responses might be quite scrambled.  
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Second thought: I think its just one of those questions to get people thinking and not give them the answer. Lol. Some Jedi mind trick huh?

You'd be right if you want to think scientifically (which in discussions seemed unenviable) but if you think about it, its just a question with little answers. (Although many will put their answers in to fill the void of the unknown.) It still has no answer. If it did then we'd already know.

Most of you are probably thinking, "Then why the hell did he ask the question if he doesn't want an answer?" Lol.  
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     Thought you simply wanted a chance to play with way linguistic ping pong, Falling Rain.  It's one of the ways that a guy gets limbered up for the sort of thinking that goes into writing poems, of course.  If you get any spare time to listen to some of the Shakespeare comedies, they're chock full of this sort of stuff, linguistic and intellectual play with absurdities.  There are some great riffs in "Much Ado About Nothing," and "As You Like It."  Much better to see them played on DVD or in the theater, where you get the physical gesture and pantomime to help you through some of the linguistic boggy places if you're unclear on some of the archaic vocabulary.

     That's what I thought you were doing, and I thought you were inviting us to play along.

     I hope you were and are having as much fun with it as I am and do.  There are all sorts of killjoys who'll try to take the fun out of it for you if you let them, and some of the teach English.  Just keep following the questions that shouldn't have anything but obvious answers, and see what sort of strange critters poke their heads out of the woodwork to offer the occasional interesting reply.  The stuffy folks never listen long enough to hear what the critters have to say, more the pity.  More fun for the creative types.
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quote:
I think the question is actually about "chicken eggs" rather  than eggs in general.


That doesn’t help much Bob, you’ve simply tipped the egg out of the frying pan and into the fire.



Is a chicken egg an egg laid by a chicken or an egg that results in a chicken?

Once you define the relationship between the chicken in question and the egg the answer is easy. If you don’t define it the answer is even easier – pick either and based on correspondence theory whichever one you choose is true.

It’s similar in that respect to the “how long is a piece of string” question which neglects to include a reference to a particular piece of string. If you say 15 inches and that corresponds to a piece of string you’re holding your answer is true, if I say 23 inches while holding a 23 inch piece of string my answer is also true.

BTW in case you’re wondering the answer to the piece of string question is - exactly twice the length of the distance from one end to the centre.



There's a blaze of light
In every word
It doesn't matter which you heard
The holy or the broken Hallelujah
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     I always enjoy watching your mind play, Mr. Grinch.  You look like you had a lot of fun with this one.  Russell?

    
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The 3rd Earl is probably in there somewhere Bob.

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The egg came first, then the shell.
 
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