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Essorant
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75 posted 02-04-2010 01:12 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Jen,


"Femme from Fr., lit. "woman." Slang meaning "passive and more feminine partner in a lesbian couple" is first attested 1961."(etymonline.com)

I would prefer to use the spelling femme (with its literal meaning, not its slang usage), but political correctness got the best of me.  Feme is a different spelling of the same word, but doesn't include the slang meaning that femme may have    

 
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76 posted 02-04-2010 01:46 PM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

Thanks for the info, Ess. I thought the one m was for a married woman and the two m any woman. Anyway, interesting point on needing to consider slang usage.  Kind of sad when slang takes top billing in the lexicon. TG rap has had it's day - hopefully!

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77 posted 02-04-2010 06:25 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Yes, HERE they ARE, sir ESsoRANT.

Some COME to PRAISE, some COME to RANT.

Some ADD bright SUNlight TO our LIVES

While OTHers COME with SHARPened KNIVES.

No MATter...ALL are WELcome HERE.

They're PRETtieR than YOU or 'DEER.

No MATter IF they DANCE or FENCE

We ALways WELcome THEIR two CENTS.

Interesting, Brad. That's the way I read it, everything in perfect iambic. You read several areas differently. That is my fault, not yours. As the writer, I'm supposed to be able to direct you to read it the way I write it by the construction.

There are two area where we differ that I would question.

"sunlight"...you make it iambic. I've never heard it that way. The dictionaries haven't, either. The accent is always on the first syllable....SUNlight. I could buy it being a spondee, if necessary, but never with the first syllable being unaccented.

"prettier"...you make it a two-syllable word. I know that I'm from the South where we tend to draw words out at times but I've never heard it as two syllables, always three. PRETtiER.  The following words "than you or deer" set up a comparison. The two things being compared would call for the accents....than YOU or DEER. You chose to accent one and not the other. I don't think it works that way.

I appreciate your taking the time and effort to dissect it and your kind words
Essorant
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78 posted 02-04-2010 07:21 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Mighty the meter
Of Balladeter,
His metric ars
Emits no farce.
But altogether
My rhyme is bether.

(ars = Latin for art)



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79 posted 02-04-2010 09:21 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

You may as well now know it
Let me pontificaint.
You is the better poet?
I'm sorry, sir....you ain't!
Stephanos
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80 posted 02-05-2010 12:21 AM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

Brad's having withdrawals from an old CA addiction.  

I'm sure Balladeer thanks you for the "fix".

My only criticism is that he didn't seem to notice that I called him old.  I guess I'm just that subtle.

Stephen
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81 posted 02-05-2010 08:43 AM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

I love it when you guys wax poetic!
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82 posted 02-05-2010 09:45 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

LOL! Believe me, I noticed it! Since I notice it also every morning when I look the the mirror, I unfortunatly accept it as fact.

Brad
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Well, I glanced at this poem (I'm assuming that Mike didn't spend a lot of time on it ) and saw some interesting metrical substitutions.  Maybe it was just wishful thinking on my part.

Yes, HERE they ARE, sir ESsoRANT.

--this reads like a discovery (Ah, HERE they ARE!). I CAN read the first foot as a trochee though.

Some ADD bright SUNlight TO our LIVES

--Keats/Heaney for precedence. I didn't change the dictionary stresses; the internal rhyme "bright/light" tends to destabilize this reading. I want to bring both of them up (slightly). Conversely, sun is slightly demoted. There is also a quantity issue here. If read this way (and yes I CAN read it that way), it seems to lose its flair.

They're PRETtieR than YOU or 'DEER.

--Okey doke. That 'prettier' though starts to sound a little prissy to my ear. Do you have an English title (Baron, Duke?) that you aren't telling us about?  Fabulous, simply fabulous, my dear.

We ALways WELcome THEIR two CENTS.

--The double iamb gives the ending a flourish. If you do 'their', I keep thinking there's somebody else out there that isn't here.

Oh well, it's always fun to spar over the metrical fence.
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84 posted 02-05-2010 07:08 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

(and yes I CAN read it that way)

Of course! You can read it any way you like.

(I'll still consider the three minutes it took to create time well spent)
Brad
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quote:
Of course! You can read it any way you like.


No, you can't. It depends on what you want and that is always finite.
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"Congrats! You scored a Tiger Tank from your gift box."

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Any news yet Mike? I havenít had any notification regarding the post that you insist was an intentional insult aimed at Denise, but it hasnít been removed yet either so Iím a little in the dark regarding the outcome.

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Sorry, grinch. I've been  waiting but there has been almost no discussion on that topic, the only ones being that  alley conversations border on the distasteful, to say the least. No one has come out and given an opinion on whether your comment was a direct insult or not and so it has not been removed.
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Thanks for the update Mike, Iíll check back in a week or so.

.
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I come in here to read about Equality....

and now I'm really thinking...

better to watch the game on TV.

Superbowl, and all...

Seren?

Fingers crossed...unless that's a bad thing!



and no, SB is not what I do on a yearly basis.
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Yep, fingers crossed here, too, Karen.

Wouldn't it be loverly!

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Probably the least discussed point of Milton Friedman's flat tax proposal was that it included a negative income tax -- which Friedman, as an economist, knew was required in order to maintain an economy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax

But the Republicans and Shruggers have always failed to latch onto that part of his system.
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93 posted 02-15-2010 07:18 PM       View Profile for rwood   Email rwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for rwood

Wouldnít it be so cool, if for a day *April 15th, to be exact, time slid backward into the days before the womenís suffrage movement for equality, and all the men in this predominately patriarchal society insisted on paying our taxes!!!

Alas, we must payeth & prayeth for a sense of humor.
 
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