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Stephanos
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50 posted 06-29-2009 05:53 PM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

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Neither.

One dismisses without evidence and one accepts without evidence and both beggar belief.

My apologies.  You seem to articulate the views ala Dawkins often enough, that I mistook you to share them.

I'll just once again point out that the religious/non-religious distinction doesn't fall along the lines of "no evidence versus evidence".  Rather they interpret the evidence differently according to their presuppositions.  Belief or unbelief in God (to quote Rob Bell) is a "posture of the heart".  

Bob, well said about confusing religion and the uses thereof.

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You seem to articulate the views ala Dawkins often enough, that I mistook you to share them.


I share some of them the good ones.

For instance I think Dawkins is largely right about evolution. Hes so far missed a couple of big points though, like the simple explanation for the Cambrian explosion and the real mechanics of speciation but Im fairly sure itll dawn on him given time.

His ideas regarding religion being a virus of the mind are interesting I agree with the basic analogy and similarities but not the conclusions or the negative connotations he draws.
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Why is it not acceptable to critique other religions?  Bashing may be too harsh a word, but isn't most of what humans believe based off of a critique or a questioning of another persons beliefs?  No two people agree on everything, and that's okay.  People can have different opinions on music, movies, books, clothes, etc. but the second someone mentions religion or politics people usually put their hands into the air and walk away from the situation because people become so personally offended when you disagree with their beliefs.  That's probably mostly because these two areas attempt to tell us how to live our lives, and that other people should live their lives like we do. They make it our personal responsibility to make these people believe in the same things we do to "benefit" both parties.  That is pretty ridiculous when you think about it.  

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They make it our personal responsibility to make these people believe in the same things we do to "benefit" both parties.  That is pretty ridiculous when you think about it.

But isn't saying that no one should do so (try to persuade others to believe something, or to see something in a different light), doing the very same thing?  In saying that something is ridiculous, aren't you implicitly saying that another (your own) point of view is not so ridiculous, more urbane, just, wise, etc ... ?  

The only difference between such a point of view, and a genuinely religious (or even unabashedly political) point of view, is that the former is inconsistent with its own moral imperative, and unaware of its own universal aims.

That being said, I still think the deepest disagreements can be without malice, rancor, and even harbor seeds of friendship.  And though I would say that this is all by the grace of God, maybe disagreeing parties can at least agree that it is sometimes so.    

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     I think both of you have valid points.

     I think it unfortunate that humans have historically had such a difficult time drawing a distinction between suasion and force.  Some would say that there is no need for a distinction.

     This is some of the same trouble we have around our own freedom of speech discussions, where everyone wants to be free to say what they want, and where it becomes difficult to get people to take responsibility for the outcomes of what they have said.  You know, like crying "Theater!" at a crowded fire, or something of that sort.
 
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