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Essorant
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If love were an element, which would be a more appropriate adjective: "naturally occuring" or "synthetic"?
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Love ain't an element. It's a decision.

[This message has been edited by Ron (04-27-2009 07:16 AM).]

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Okay.

Hmmm.

I'm finding this situation a little bit sardonically ironic that Ron had to edit my previous post.

But I stand by it, as it stands, edited:

"Love ain't an element. It's a decision."

why-the-hell-is-everything-so-complicated?



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Although I agree with Karen for the most part..

I will go with this.

If it's real, then it's not synthetic, right?
So, if we are talking real love then, if it is an element, it has to be naturally occurring.  I love logic.  Even if it's only my own.

Hey Karen, can you email me at work and tell me what was edited?


"too bad ignorance isn't painful"
~Unknown~

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4 posted 04-27-2009 01:40 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I actually have no idea...I don't think I was rude or anything. (Was I rude?)

I dunno...did I subconsciously type a cuss word? I honestly don't recall typing anything other than what is written there.

I ain't gonna lose any sleep over it though.

Lost enough sleep in my time, I have.

I'll write you soon, I promise, sweetcheeks.

(Um, I'm referring to Susan there.)

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Maybe Ron is just messin' with ya.

"too bad ignorance isn't painful"
~Unknown~

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quote:
... did I subconsciously type a cuss word?

Or abbreviate one?
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Yanno, I have been around here for a few years...

and I still don't know how to do that whole quote thing..


"too bad ignorance isn't painful"
~Unknown~

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What grounds would one have for saying "synthetic"?

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Synthetic.

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In this context what would synthetic mean?

Stephen
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Ron? My apologies...if I cussed or even abbreviated a cuss word, well, I am embarrassed to confess that I'm so sorely in need of social etiquette skills that I didn't even notice.

Please also know that I'm so startled by this, that I will work harder on cleaning up my vocabulary!

Wow.

*shaking my head*

I knew it was bad, but when I'm bad and don't know I'm bad, that's pretty bad.

*wince*

My apologies. I'm sorry.

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And OH.

Because I do enjoy teasing Essorant (just a little bit, lovie, because you take it so well) I'd like to offer Essorant an apology for whatever it was I typed. (Seriously, I don't remember what it was)

If it was an "f" and "k" together? That stands for a simple forehead kiss. (This can be validated by the lovely Susan Caldwell, and the equally lovely and diligent Kari, who did once e mail me to ask what that meant to be sure that I wasn't being naughty again.)

And yep, Ess--I broke the "red wine only" rule last night, so nod, I had been drinking white russians, and yes, I tend to be a bit, um, more playful and more than a little bit risque when I've had too much to drink.

I have no idea what I wrote, so I have no idea if I typed a bit of a swing atcha or not. But I offer my sincere apology just in case I did. If I didn't direct any ill will  toward you, please feel free to use this apology retroactively for all the times I did offend you, k?

And honestly, this all started when I tried to do a simple gesture of kindness by bringing my mother-in-law a movie--she was...bored.

(Now she is hungover and um, no doubt she is blaming ME for last night's misadventure as she tries to explain her new budget problem to her boyfriend. There are poker machines in the daiquiri shop, and hey, she was really doing well for a while on the deuces wild game--she kept hitting five of a kind on a streak unlike any I've seen before. Unfortunately, she did not "cash out" before losing it all again because it is really difficult to have good judgement when one has been drinking white russians spiked with everclear.)

My husband isn't talking to me either...but I'm confident he will eventually.

I suspect that he does love me.   I also suspect that he hates himself for it too.

Which sort of qualifies my point that sometimes love ends up being a decision.

Sort of? heh-heh?

*peace*? <--for true!

I'll be over there--> In bed.

Alone.

Sheepishly quiet.

ciao darlin's, and thank you Ron, for cleaning up my mess yet again.

sigh
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http://www.motherbird.com/Andrade.html


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Love in The Western World by Denis de Rougemont

     A classic study of the origins of what we now think of as "love" as it emerged from the tradition of Courtly Love in the middle ages.  What we now think of as love may well be a reasonably modern invention, or perhaps a way of organizing very old thoughts and feeling in what may have been a radical and inventive way.

     Some love this book, others hate it, but it's well written and thought provoking.  You can get it apparently for about ten bucks if you want to buy it; your library will have it much more cheaply.  After I first read it, I went out and bought myself my own copy because it's the sort of thing I will sometimes wake up in the middle of the night and pull off the shelves to re-read a few pages and mull them over.  You can't do that if the book's in the library now, can you?

     The books that do that for somebody aren't always predictable, though.

Ruminatively speaking,

Mr. Bob
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Though there are different kinds of love, and different cultural time-bound expressions of the same, love is "natural" in the sense that it is a universal venture.  I suppose one could also say that it is "synthetic" in the sense of it often being contrary to our lower nature, and requiring some creativity. It seems that we're called on to intelligently decide (as Karen said) to love in the forms of yielding and working for someone else's good ... of making sure that love (like nurturing a plant) is more than a self-centered emotion.  I suppose then, that one might say that love is both natural and artificial.  But as John's linked poem seems to suggest (to me), love is not necessary to existence.  There may be failure, and forsaking love itself is a possibility.  


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No need to apologize, Serenity.  I know you didn't mean anything (too) evil
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Women go on about love
Men simply go on


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Essorant is a gentleman and a scholar.

(How do you say pardon my cliche' in latin?) *wink*

And tsk...John, that's quite a generalization--but allow me to consider that what you say as true - is that why women statistically outlive men?

?

Now, let me proofread what I just wrote to check for indiscretions.
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quote:
Essorant is a gentleman and a scholar.


"Confused wretch" would be more accurate.  


quote:
How do you say pardon my cliche' in latin?


I don't think there is one word specially for saying "cliche" in Latin, but "pardon my trite words" I think would be ignosce meis verbis tritis

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20 posted 04-29-2009 12:25 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Thank you.

Now I have a fancy title for the book I'm not writing.
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Women go on about love
Men simply go on about nothing much.

Fixed that for you John.



"too bad ignorance isn't painful"
~Unknown~

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22 posted 04-29-2009 09:49 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I just had drinks with a guy who looked like Kirk Douglas...

I have a date with him for next Wednesday!

He was handsome, suave, and I felt like I tapped past the sandstone into the oil of the greatest stories ever told.

I am the luckiest girl in the world.

(And my husband, is ...um...talking to me again!)

*chuckle*

Nod. He's using choice words--but he's tawkin'...

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"Men at forty
Learn to close softly
The doors to rooms they will not be
Coming back to."

Donald Justice

.


Of course there are always
residual idiots and congenital hunters
who can not live without the game . . .

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laughing...oh John, "the GAME"?

I have a friendly date with an elderly gentleman for a couple of beers. I enjoyed his company. He has led an interesting life, and we share a mutual interest in advertising and public relations. (He's going to bring a portfolio of some of the campaigns he has worked on.)

I'm married. I took VOWS.

But I have no intention of staying locked up in this house for another twenty years.

Don't you enjoy going out and making new friends?

My husband isn't much interested--he prefers to wow the crowd at the karoake club. I don't mind that either, but I do tend to drink way too much to find the majority of that entertainment tolerable. (LOUD is bad enough, but off-key and loud requires too much of the liquid sustenance.)

I like you John, but I do worry about you sometimes.

You don't seem to have a lot of fun. Maybe you do, though. I've been mistaken before and I'm sure I will be mistaken again.

Carpe' da diem, lovie!

And hmmm....they just opened a dance studio nearby too. I've always wanted to learn how to tango...
 
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