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Seoulair
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50 posted 04-23-2008 04:11 PM       View Profile for Seoulair   Email Seoulair   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Seoulair

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Nothing is truly "ceased", but is just continued in a different degree.

Very true.
But when we talk about visible light of human, we are not talking about on the standard of owl and whale, and so do on hearing range, and heart beat/per minutes. We do have cutting point on certain things based on their nature and our nature. And it is also true that Millions of 97F can not make a wood burn no matter how we claim  ourselves  hot.(Zeroth law of thermodynamics).

So, matter and phenomenon is group and titled based their nature. There is no definite definition of life and you might say, to death too. But nobody wants to hire E.D to be a president of College, a baby sitter, or a slave because the biological change has made dead people lost certain characters though the atoms are still all there on earth if not stick on those space probes.
   my thought.
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51 posted 04-23-2008 04:17 PM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

That's what I'm saying Ess, for every metaphor that you use to denote only a change of degree, there are five more to denote a sheer cliff of distinction.  "Degree" is only our measurement of temperature.   But you started off speaking of fire ... something quite different than our measurement of temperature.

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52 posted 04-23-2008 07:33 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

I don't know, Stephen, which is part of my response - I don't know any more than you do. I DO know that you can measure the physical affects on the body once it dies, can prove the breakdown of what was the vessel.

What you can prove no more than I is what happens to the proverbial soul (especially since you can't prove its existence in the first place).

I lean more toward the KISS philosophy - why invent some boogeyman who meets you on the other side of life and escorts you to some other means of existence, when to keep it simple, you can liken the soul's assimilation with that of your body?

Funny thing is that I actually died when I was a child. I fell off my dad's van (no idea why I was up there, other than to guess "because it was there") and landed head-first on the concrete sidewalk. The impact was significant (understatement) and, following several minutes of blindness, my heart stopped beating.

I was revived, and aside from a somewhat sketchy long-term memory, have suffered no long term negative effects.

I don't recall much of that time, other than a few glimpses - waking in a hospital room (jello, I remember that) - a feeling of my mom holding me as we raced to the hospital - and an unfocused anxiety that may or may not be what I felt at the time.

What I DON'T recall, is a tunnel of light, a man in a black shroud, or a feeling of peace infusing my bones as I began to be carried toward a different plane of existence.

Conclusive proof? No, of course not. But then, I feel no need to justify the "reason" I was brought back.
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53 posted 04-23-2008 07:38 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

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I was revived, and aside from a somewhat sketchy long-term memory, have suffered no long term negative effects.


Really?

Seoulair
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54 posted 04-23-2008 08:04 PM       View Profile for Seoulair   Email Seoulair   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Seoulair

What I DON'T recall, is a tunnel of light,

Nice that you survived. You sure have another chance to repent.
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55 posted 04-24-2008 09:42 AM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

Chris,

I was only pointing out that your agnosticism seems pretty knowing at times ... Like how you're sure that no one else can know either.

But as far as invention is concerned, I totally agree.  No need to invent.  But since we have strange and obstinate historical data to contend with, that says God has revealed himself, it is no more "simple" to say that it was simply contrived.  In fact that route leads to some pretty elaborate attempts at explanation  But that gets into a whole discussion that exceeds the scope of this thread.  


Anyway, I'm glad they got you back.         


Brad,

I'm pretty sure what you're talking about is congenital.        


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56 posted 04-24-2008 01:59 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Hey, I said I suffered no long term negative effects... I didn't say the rest of you aren't still suffering.
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57 posted 04-24-2008 07:48 PM       View Profile for Bob K   Email Bob K   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Bob K



Dear Christopher,

           I'm unclear about the whole thing myself.  I notice however when you filled in the place you're living you cited "purgatorial incarnation."  I wonder to what extent this may be literally true for you.  I can do this because I am a complete stranger and the question is an utter shot in the dark.  

     My understanding is that only about 1 out of 3 folks who have had Near Death Experiences actually report any of the Kenneth Ring classic seven (It is seven, isn't it?) features, so your report shouldn't shock anybody.

     Myself, I'm quite unclear about the notion of death.  I don't know how to separate the thing itself from the cultural aspects of it.  I don't know how to deal with the mind-body problem or even if there is one.  I am vastly stupid about the whole thing and getting more ignorant by the day as I get to know more and more.  It's humiliating.

     I do know there's a new translation of The Tibetan Book of The Dead out recently that's supposed to be an improvement over the Richard Wilhelm version with the introduction by Jung, and that I'm saving up to get the thing, and squirreling away extra energy in my attention banks to be able to get through it.  It's supposed to guide the spirit through the process of dying and into the next incarnation through readings over the body done over a period of 40 days.

     There is also an Egyptian Book of The Dead which I don't find personally as moving and several Christian guides to dying that or roughly of medieval origin.  I have no information about them, other than they tend to emphasize the art of dying.  I suspect there may be an art to it, though the opportunity for practice must be limited.
A grim joke on my part, that.

Yours, Bob K.
 
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