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Does a leaf know fear?

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matronmedusa
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When a leaf trembles; is it the wind that causes it to move?

Or does the leaf allow the wind to move it?
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"When a leaf trembles; is it the wind that causes it to move?"

Only if the wind is blowing.

"Or does the leaf allow the wind to move it?"

The wind isn't willful and leaves have no choice.  Or, the leaves aren't willful and wind has no choice.

Best, Jimbeaux

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Pathetic fallacy


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Which fallacy, John?  Are you suggesting that wind is purposeful or leaves make choices, or both?  

And why "pathetic?"  "Pathetic" seems like an overly charged word.  "Illogical" doesn't seem to fit, either.  I might buy into "Naive" or "Irrelevant" if you wanted to back your notion up.

Or, were you referring to the initial post?  Sometimes it's hard to tell from two words.

Best, Jimbeaux
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LOL. Sometimes, Jim, two words should actually be interpreted as a single concept. I believe pathetic fallacy is one such instance?
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oooooooooooooooh....

Thanks Ron! (and John)

(I think I can use that!)

*chuckling*
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Hi Ron:  Thanks for a friendly comment! I still don't get the gist of John's post.  Karen seems to, so maybe it's just me.  (It usually is.)

Any one feel like explaining any of this to my doltish self?

Best, Jimbeaux  

PS:  I'm signing myself as "Jimbeaux" to avoid confusion with Jim Boulder, who had the "Jim" tag sewn up long before I came around.  Jim
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I don't necessarily understand it.

I just said I can use it.

(Somebody told me to be a leaf once.)

I discovered I could indeed "be the leaf"--but I couldn't write while I was a leaf.

*grins*
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Jim,

The pathetic fallacy is also known as the anthropomorphic fallacy - it describes the error of attributing inanimate objects with human feelings.

You could argue though that the fallacy isnít actually applicable in this particular case as fear isnít exclusively a human trait and plants arenít actually inanimate.

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Thanks Grinch!  I truly wasn't aware of the "pathetic fallacy" being a thing in itself.  John's comment now makes sense.

I'll buy that leaves, while while growing and maintaining, not dead, are "animate."  "Wind" is an entity of a different sort.

The anthropomorphic business does seem to be a pathetic fallacy.

Ron:  In my blurry eyed doltishnish, I missed that you typed "pathetic fallacy" as a link.  Clicked it, and it was a great explanation. I can see why you were laughing out loud!  Maybe I'll change my tag to Dumbeaux!  

Best, Jimbeaux  


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quote:
Any one feel like explaining any of this to my doltish self?

Tr.Sherman drops tears
on my grave
In nonchalance

Ha,ha,ha, Ron is always on the wrong side.  
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Hi John: Your awareness of the "pathetic fallacy" seems to be well reflected in your poetry, which I very much admire and seems to talk about things as they are.

TomMark:  Wah?  Is your poetic post a bit of inscrutability, or am I just missing the point again?  What is Ron always on the wrong side of?

Dumbeaux
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ignore the title of the thread. The real question was on physics.      If one takes in the title and says that the question is   Pathetic fallacy. Still tree does it better right? and must bear different term.

Sherman is one of the tallest Redwood.  

Ps I was just teasing Ron's LOL to LOLer
 
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