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The Alchemist

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Huan Yi
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0 posted 01-06-2008 03:43 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi


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By  Paulo Coelho:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Alchemist_(book)
A woman work friend gave me this book as a
belated Christmas present with the comment:
“It has changed many lives.”

The site provides a pretty good summary of the plot.

I’ve now read the book but I’d like to read to view of
others as to the merits of its ideas.

John

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1 posted 01-06-2008 04:35 PM       View Profile for TomMark   Email TomMark   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for TomMark

She might hint that you needed to change your life in some way

"Many have compared The Alchemist to Saint-Exupéry's The Little Prince, a children's book about another boy, the Prince, who leaves his home in search of greater things, learning valuable lessons about life and love on the way"

Someone needs to pack and go to Sahara.

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2 posted 01-08-2008 12:15 AM       View Profile for TomMark   Email TomMark   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for TomMark

Sir John, has your life been changed by the reading?
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Only in that I've now discovered
there are yet more people to
keep away from.


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if all the final found of love and peace and hope are in deserts and mountains and caves, I would stay right in the city center alone.


"there are yet more people to
keep away from."

I think that it is impossible. You may not accept certain characters but you can not keep away from people you dislike.   You pass  many daily. You might have just said "hello" to someone who had not paid any child support yet. or worse.

so how do you do it?  
  

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"You might have just said "hello" to someone who had not paid any child support yet. or worse."

oh my, that one struck my funny bone.

I'm glad I can laugh about it, but what Tom says is true. My ex is somewhere out there, guilty of such, and it's not something the person ever advertises and not that you would be judgmental if you knew. He can be the little sand crab in his hole, but not me. I've got waves to catch, and now another book to read while I'm on holiday.
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I, too, was given the book as a Christmas gift by my eldest daughter, as she thought, and rightly so, that I would enjoy the philosophy of it.

And I did. She also gave me Ken Follett's "The Pillars of the Earth" which seems to be on a similar level of tone.

And from what I can see of your finding of the book, John, I would have to say we are pretty much at opposite ends of our reading. It has given me a good reason to get to know people better.

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Sunshine,

Does that make you a woman
of the desert?

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John,

It certainly has its calling...
and in another life, quite possibly so!

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“("She never asked you to stay because a woman of the desert knows that she must await her man" - p. 126). This is not taken out of context. Throughout the book, the whole "follow your dreams" motto is limited to male protagonists.”


"But there is a role for women - waiting around the oasis for their men to either return or hearing they have been killed. Grand! Just what I've been wanting to know - it's transformed my life! The most profound insight yet known to Man. Come, on pull the other leg!"


http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0062502182?filterBy=addOneStar&pageNumber=2


I noticed that as well.
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Notice is not an opinion. Do you agree on that "quote"?
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Tom, I address this to you, in answer to your question of Huan’s reply to me: No, I do not agree with this particular notice. For the first part, the page quotation that is set forth is not found on the book I am reading, but not to mean that it is within this particular book, so the notice must be a tad bit old. So, apparently, I am reading a newer version, which, apparently, means that this book is withstanding the test of time.

Secondly, I would like to submit a quotation from the author of the Medicine Woman series, Lynn Andrews:  “Paulo Coelho gives you the inspiration to follow your own dreams by seeing the world through your own eyes and not someone else’s.” [Emphasis added].

I would think that any open minded reader would be inspired by this book. That a woman would read this book and say “it’s not feminist enough” in my opinion would be wrong, because in my eyes, any book can apply to most any situation in faith of some accomplishment. Ergo, it would have to be a short-minded reader to think that this book is for man, only. However, that would be that woman's interpretation, not mine.

The first English HarperCollins publication was in 1993. The latest copyright is 1998. My reading is almost ten years past the last English copyright; I think all of us have come some way since that time.

When I first noticed that Fatima had come into Santiago’s life was even before I knew her name, because I knew from the author’s description that this was the woman to whom his life would be dedicated, not the original first named woman in the story. [Remember, this is a fable.] Before I knew her name, I sensed his understanding of her significance. Remarkably, at page 93 of this particular printing, it was her soul, and that of the ”Soul of the World” that he heard.  Maktub.

A critic’s advice is just that, critical. One can find a problem with anything presented to them. Does one not go ahead and see a movie just because the critics advised against it? We all have a sense to fulfill a legend for ourselves, so why do we let others do it for us? If John wants to see an all male protagonistic view in this book so be it. I saw more.

‘Nuff said.

and Thanks!

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My dear lady Sunshine, I love you very much for your kindness.   and thank you for all of those words.  

John posted this thread to tell us that he read a book and quoted other's "changed many lives". I just  try to squeeze him to tell his thought on this book. Not his noticing  but his opinions.  
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“I have been waiting for you here in this oasis for a long
time.  I have forgotten about my past, about my traditions,
and the way in which men of the desert expect women to
behave. . . ."

““The desert takes our men from us, and they don’t always
return, she said”.  “We know that, and we are used to it.
Those who don’t return become part of the clouds, a part
of the animals that hide in the ravines and of the water that
comes from the earth . . .””

“”Some do come back.  And then the other women are
happy because they believe their men may one day return,
as well.  I used to look at those women and envy them their
happiness.  Now, I too will be one of the women who wait.
I am a desert woman, and I’m proud of that.  I want my
husband to wander free as the wind that shapes the dunes.
And, if I have to, I will accept the fact that he has become a
part of the clouds, and the animals, and the water of the desert.””

From Pages 97-98
Paperback
Looks like 1993-98 translation copyright
I got it last week


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That is the transcript of the book, John, that I was referring to. Thank you for making it all the part of the art.

That said, and given of its time sequence, this can be said of a woman's heart, mind, and soul, today. Even as it was, then; but at which time, woman could not reveal either her heart, mind, or soul.

Unless she wished to be a martyr.

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15 posted 01-23-2008 07:38 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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Tasha, woman of the desert

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bradford/7204543.stm


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo

something interesting. look, the real woman!
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i've read that book.. it's as good as the book entitled, the Little Prince.. my physics pedagogue introduced it to me.. she let me borrowed her books for me to read it.. *_*

 
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