Statesboro, GA, USA
God may have sacrificed Jesus' time on earth but that's it. The phrase "God sacrificed His son" is erronious since Jesus came back to life, as was God's plan all along.
Did Houdini sacrifice his beautiful assistant by sawing her in half, even though afterwards she appeared back to being whole again, bowing to the thunderous applause?
And you continue to deny the most important distinction between Jesus and the sleight of hand you just described ... Jesus really died.
Its trifling to argue that the crucifixion of Christ should not be called a sacrifice just because you think resurrection makes death insignificant. In a worldview that asserts a future resurrection for all, how does that follow? I believe you will be raised from the dead, and yet that wouldn't devalue (in my eyes or yours) any kind of sacrifice you might make for someone else ... whether of money, time, or blood.
For no matter where you're heading, you're still where you are.
put all the mist, metaphors and romantic thought around it as you want, but it is just round-a-about way of trying to glorify a horrible death that never ought to happen to anyone.
Sometimes romanticism clarifies things Essorant. The most romantically poetic of pipsters should know that! You can choose a flatly prosaic way to look at anything and miss the soul and spirit of it. I think that's what you may be doing here.
First of all the crucifixion of Christ is not merely portrayed as good, as something to be glibly accepted and celebrated. It's not that simple. True to the strangeness of life, its more complicated than that. Of course it was something that "never ought to happen to anyone". I think the writers of the New Testament concede that point, because its humanly impossible not to. But "ought not" and "need not" may not always be synonymous. Far from glorifying murder, the crucifixion makes it appear for what it really is ... and yet still shows that God may bring good out of the very worst. In this kind of world, I think we need to know that.
There is no salvation brought to anyone by a man being hung on a cross to die, especially not a man as great as Christ
Then you deny the central teaching of the New Testament and the experiential witness of millions of Christians.
It actually reminds me of Christ's response to Peter in Matthew 16:21-23 (emphasis mine).
"From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. 'Never, Lord!' he said. 'This shall never happen to you!'
Jesus turned and said to Peter, 'Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.'"
Or think of it this way Ess ... Even you said that the gods are best when they become men. Well in this wickedly wrought death, God was becoming man at his very worst, so that all may have hope. So that God could really say "I've been there".
[This message has been edited by Stephanos (12-28-2007 05:42 PM).]