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Huan Yi
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So where us He?
2,000 years is one long coffee break . . .

Where, in fact, in the New Testament,
is it written He will show up again at all?

Face it, after what happened the first time
would you sign up for another tour?


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Hey,

you only get a 3 month visitor's passport via Condoleezza's standards.

Maybe he was deported?

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From what I have read, heard, believe,
His time is not Our time...

So maybe His ten minutes is about to come up.
However,
if it is?

I would ask for another 5, go ahead,
give Him a break.

What's your rush?

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Jack:"I know nothing."---Wilde

"Where, in fact, in the New Testament,
is it written He will show up again at all?"

Matthew 24:27
Matthew 25:31
Mark 13:26
Luke 21:27

"I try to allow what I write
not to be only about myself"

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I agree with Sunshine about the time issue, since we are also told in 2 Peter 3:8 that "with the Lord a day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as a day".  And in Psalm 90:4 the writer muses to God "a thousand years in Your sight are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night."  These, to me, are poetic ways of saying that God sees time very differently than I do.  However I don't think that should lead anyone to the conclusion that God is so wholly other, that his "soon" is our "never".


Time and again in the New Testament we are warned not to imagine God's delay as slackness (2 Peter 3:3-13).  And we are reminded that the return of Christ will be in the literal and historical sense, not only in some metaphorical and metaphsysical sense (Acts 1:11).


We are also told that his second coming will be of a very different occasion, and countenance, than his first coming.  If he came at first to enter into our humanity, to suffer and die for our sins, his second return will be in unmitigated glory to judge the living and the dead.  And the respective passages of scripture about these "comings" are very different in mood and description.  One was like a lamb, the other will be like a Lion.    


Of course any attentive reader of scripture will note that even the "lamb" had lion-like characteristics, with the Jesus of palestine acting as Chesterton noted "often like an angry god- and always like a god".  Likewise the picture of a triumphant Christ returning to judge the earth, should not be totally devoid of what is like a lamb, namely mercy and grace toward those who put their faith in him.  If this were not so, then our imaginations would be overwhelmed, finding no grounds for approaching or relating to this "terrible" figure.  


It is a fearful enough (and awe-inspiring) image in my soul, to make me want to be right with him on that day ... whether that day for me will be the universal return of Christ, or merely his return for me in death.  Both are painted (in my mind) with the same apocalyptic terrors and joys.  


Stephen.  
  
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http://www.raptureready.com/rap2.html

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Sorry.  I deleted my comment.
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Karen,

I'm just curious, did you post that web-link as an example of possible credibility, or as a lampoon?  I'm not offended either way.  There is much about "end times" out there that is actually worthy of satire (I could join you in that).  But the caricatures, or the poorly presented, shouldn't be confused with (or negate) the real.  I actually propose the novel idea that people should garner their end-time ideas from a careful reading of the Bible, rather than from current popular representations of dispensationalism.  

Stephen.  
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Stephan,

I hope you didn't take that as mockery.

I just heard the website mentioned on a thought-provoking documentary I'd seen, and I thought it was interesting.

I confess I am curious as to what you think of that too...

The documentary (I'll go find the name for you soon) proposes some disturbing thought regarding people termed as "End-Timers"--and the possibility of self-fulfilling prophecy in their genuinely earnest desire and belief that events will unfold as interpreted (and sometimes falsely) in the book of Revelations.

I'm sorry for the playful appearance of my post--I was in a hurry and on my way out the door.

But let me know what you think.

I am interested.

OH.

Here it is--The Doomsday Code

Stay sweet and be well.

Ta for now.
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   Matthew 13:34,35     All these things spake Jesus unto the
multitude in parables; and without a parable spoke He not unto them:
35- That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet,saying
I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been
kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Matthew 13:13    Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they
SEEING see not; and HEARING they hear not, neither do they understand.

Many look for the return of our Lord.
Many wait for the Kingdom of God to come.
The carnal mind cannot comprehend the things of God.  Spiritual things
are as parables to them.  Seeing...they see not   Hearing...they hear
not    Neither do they understand

It is written  Acts 1: 11   ....why stand ye gazing up into heaven?
This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come
in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

How did they see Him go?

Acts 1:9 ..... He was taken up; and a cloud received Him out of their
sight.
He returns in the SAME manner.  If He comes...DOWN  and  OUT of a
cloud...that would be opposite of how He was taken.

He left their sight by being...RECEIVED in a cloud...and TAKEN UP
into Heaven.
He Comes...by being RECEIVED in a cloud...and TAKEN UP into Heaven.

WE are the CLOUD which receives HIM.
And He...in us  And We...in Him...are TAKEN UP...into Heaven

Christ rises within you.  Christ rises up from the grave in which he has
been buried.   The joyful cry..."He is risen"  is not an echo from the past.
It is a glorious and continuing occurrence.

Did He say He would be with us alway, even unto the end of the world?
Matthew 28:20
Did He say that He would never leave us or forsake us?
Heb. 13:5
Then...either He is HERE...NOW     or   We must join so many others...
and...wait.

Interesting...In the passages that speak of HIS...COMING...
The original Greek word here is...Erchomai...and is ONLY used in the
PRESENT tense.
A few other passages that speak of His...COMING...The original Greek
word is...Parousia...and means...PRESENCE and AT HAND

So...HIS...PRESENCE....is....NOW      In the PRESENT tense
Not...Past....nor Future
HE COMES!!!!  continually   He has been coming....IS coming NOW...
and continues to come.
He Comes...to each individual...at different levels...at different
times.   You know not...Who or When.   Like a theif in the night.

John 16:7  Jesus says...It is expedient for you that I go away: for
if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart
I will send him unto you.
Now...Jesus is saying that it is  B E T T E R  for us, that He no
longer be here as He appeared at the time.

John 14:16-20    And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you
another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever;
17: even the Spirit of Truth; which the world cannot receive, because
it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth
with you, and shall be in you.
18: I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you
19: Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me:
because I live, ye shall live also
20:At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me,
and I in you.

Look closely at what HE is saying...   He is telling them of THE
COMFORTER.   He tells them that...They know Him.
He tells them....He dwells with you.  They knew Jesus...He was dwelling
W I T H   them at the time.
Then He says....  He  S H A L L  be   I N     you.

While speaking of the COMFORTER....He says....I will not leave you
comfortless....  I WILL COME TO YOU

Jesus knew that it would be better for us for Him to no longer remain
in His physical form...OUTSIDE of us    He knew that those around Him
were already growing too attached to the  IMAGE
He knew that it would be far more profitable for us if He returned as
SPIRIT and dwelt WITHIN us    Glory to God

Let the world search the skies for His appearing.  Let them look for
a  GIANT Fleshly Jesus on a cloud.
Yes... He returns in the Flesh   WE are the flesh He returns in
Yes... He returns in a cloud...  We are the cloud He returns in

W E ... The assembly of His believers ... are HIS body

Heb 12:1  Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with a great
Cloud of Witnesses....

W E  are the Cloud that receives Him     WE are the Cloud He returns IN

Mk 13:26  And then shall they see the Son of Man coming in the clouds
with great power and glory.

1 John 4:13  Hereby know ye that we dwell in Him, and He in us, because
He hath given us of His Spirit

2 Cor 3:17   Now the Lord is that Spirit....

Jude 14   Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousand of His saints.

Glory to God    THATS   How He comes ... with His Saints

Youngs Literal Translation which uses the original Hebrew and Greek
meanings says...  Lo, the Lord is come  IN   His saintly myriads.

Let the world look to the skies for a sign of His coming.
Let them continue to worship the   I M A G E   of a    M A N    
Let them continue to focus on  Jesus  The Flesh that was crucified
and not be able to understand  Christ  The anointed in Spirit
Let them continue until the Father lifts the delusion they are under

Heb 9:28  So CHRIST was once offered to bear the sins of many; and
unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without
sin unto salvation

Lk 17:20,21   The Kingdom of God cometh not with observation - neither
shall they say, Lo, Here! or lo, There !  For Behold, The Kingdom of
God is within you

The Father is in His Kingdom   The Son has returned to His Father
It is from this Kingdom that Christ rules   HalleluYAH !!!!!  

Heaven is not our goal.  CHRIST is our goal.  HE is our dwelling place
Our goal is to be in the bosom of God... To Live in His Spirit.

"... and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in
Heavenly places in Christ Jesus"  Eph 2:6

He Comes     Has been coming    Will continue to come    Until the time
" When He shall come to be glorified in His saints" 2 Th 1:10
When the Son of Man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels
(messengers) with Him,  T H E N   shall He sit upon the throne of
His glory   Matt 25:31

The Kingdom of Heaven is...within you    Christ dwells...within you
Satan is being cast OUT of Heaven...out of you    Christ now sits
where Satan once sat...within you   The serpent was sent out of the
Garden...to feed upon the DUST    We are the Dust upon which he has
been feeding   But now...through Christ...He will feed upon you no
more.

Do not rely upon your carnal perception and think that you will
ever SEE or understand the things of God.   Like the man, blind from
birth, whom Jesus healed...We also must...Wash away the  C L A Y
in order to gain our sight.   This vessel of CLAY that you call
S E L F   must decrease...That  HE may increase within you.
Jesus instructs us to...Pick up OUR cross...and follow Him
We also must...Lay down the Flesh...and follow Him   We must wash
away the Clay

HIS perfect peace...to you    May His presence continue to manifest
within us all.     The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you
always.   Amen
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Actually, I don't have the will to debate it now, but a "now and not-yet" view of eschatology makes most sense of scripture.  What you are advocating is preterism.  But it's not accurate to say that Jesus' Kingdom and his "coming" are always spoken of the present tense in the texts of the Bible.  

The Kingdom is inaugurated but not yet consummated.  

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quote:
...actually propose the novel idea that people should garner their end-time ideas from a careful reading of the Bible, rather than from current popular representations of dispensationalism.


Huh? Can I get a translation on that?

And sweetie, just trust I'm equally cautious of what I dismiss as ridiculous, and what I focus on, from day to day.

There's a fine line between paranoia and being aware, and right now, the facts of my reality are more than enough to keep me occupied without paralyzing myself with fear of the unknown.

Which reminds me of something my brother said about my husband once,

"He is oblivious out of self-defense."

(Um, my brother was deriding/chiding me, not my hubby. Hmmm. Maybe both of us, now that I think about it. I think sarcasm is genetic in my birth family. )

And he could be right.

Oblivion is downright heavenly sometimes.



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“In an intriguing little book called When Prophecy Fails, a team
of American social scientists asks why, in religious sects that preach
a Second Coming, the level of devoutness and proselytizing often
increases when the Messiah does not appear at the predicted time.
Their answer is that it is precisely the threat of a shattered belief
system that gives the faithful a powerful new incentive to bond
more tightly with each other, and to recruit new believers. Together,
they can then convince each other of the necessary rationalizations
(the Second Coming occurred, but in Heaven and not on earth:
the delay is a part of a divine plan to test our faith; and so on).”

Adam Hochschild
The Unquiet Ghost


What accounts I’ve read all say that those that knew Jesus expected him back
fairly soon, ( on an earlier post I even cited a passage:
MATTHEW 16:28 "..There are some standing here which shall not taste death before they see the son of man come in his kingdom..."---).

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Karen,

A translation of my statement?  Read the Bible before you read "Left Behind", and then hopefully you'll never feel the need to.    


I feel that a grasp of end-time Theology (though not necessarily in dates, details, and mystery-removing-minutia) can actually be a good antidote to overwhelming fear.  It's the half-grasp that tends to increase it, in my experience.


And John,

I think it would do you well to remember that whenever Jesus spoke of the "Kingdom" he wasn't always speaking of his consummate return at the end of the age (though sometimes he was).  His first announcement was "Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven IS at hand".  Remember Inaugurated Kingdom versus Consummated Kingdom.  Now and Not Yet.

Some may call that an easy out, to avoid the conclusion that prophecy was plainly mistaken.  But it's not like this concept wasn't with Jesus from the beginning of his ministry ... so invoking this principle cannot be said to be merely a gloss or cover-up.  It is quite original and essential to the whole, not an after-thought.
  

Stephen.    
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I never felt the need to read "Left Behind" Stephan.

Don't assume you know more about me than you do. Tsk.

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Karen,

Not being a fan of that series myself, I thought you could see a bit of tongue in my cheek when I said "need".  

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*laughing*

The only "need" I felt was to clear that little matter up.

(I never felt a "need" to read The DaVinci Code either, btw.)

But I know, I know--all us pagans look alike!

So it's okay, Stephan. I'm in a "take no prisoners" kinda mood these days.

(Menopause? Yeah, sure, today I'll blame it on menopause.)

Proceed.

With Caution. *laughing*

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Actually, Jesus has already returned.
see: Charles Manson
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As a rule, people need to believe. Religion fulfills that need, mostly with things they will never have to be held accountable for, such as Heaven or the Second Coming. They offer up Heaven, the second coming, or 75 virgins and all for the same reason. Since our imminent death is factual, people need to believe in something non-factual to offset reality.

It is  a lottery ticket for the soul. People plunk down their dollar, grasp their ticket tightly and think "Wouldn't it be great...?" and, when their 12 million to 1 odds don't go in their favor, they wait until next week so they can hope once more....the only difference being someone actually does win the lottery.

The only way to believe in the Second Coming is to have believed in the first and to believe that, when it comes, they will be lost if they are not true believers at the time. (another velvet-lined threat in the religious arsenal) Better keep buying that lottery ticket, just in case because one day your number will indeed be up.  
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Well, it's not too hard to get that religion was created as a form of control, even the christion religions (catholicism). A bunch of rich white men wrote the book on it, and they're damn notorious for manipulating people. The hope of the second coming, like Balladeer said, just adds onto the fear of non-belief.

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Stephanos,
quote:
I agree with Sunshine about the time issue, since we are also told in 2 Peter 3:8 that "with the Lord a day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as a day".  And in Psalm 90:4 the writer muses to God "a thousand years in Your sight are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night."  

Thanks, m’friend. I didn’t even think my thoughts had ever been read in Phil.

Balladeer,
quote:
As a rule, people need to believe.

Sometimes, I have seen people’s belief come about as naturally as instinct to an ant. And at times, that is a very sad fact. No one seems to be able to think outside the box.

and blister? There have been several others outside of Manson who lead a “cult” leadership.

From my readings, and they have been scant next to most of you, it is my humble belief that both Jesus and His Father gave us one of our best abilities in the manners of choice, will power, and conscience.

Some of us will be our own best [and worst] master. Some of us have no fear. And some, fear too much.

As for the “tours”, Huan, if I could take with me what I’ve learned into another lifetime here on earth, I would most certainly know to not make again my past mistakes, and most assuredly, being that I would only be human, I would most likely fall into other mistakes for those things that I haven’t gone through yet [if ever] and would hope that I might possibly make a better life for others and myself in that extra time given me.

I’ll let you know if it happens.


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.


People in prior centuries were much
more devotional; many gave their lives,
and yet nobody much less He showed up.

So if He doesn't, what's the big deal?


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Balladeer:
quote:
As a rule, people need to believe. Religion fulfills that need


Why do you think that is?  Is such a need basic and proper, or is it only a form of neurosis?  You've said in past threads that you are convinced that there's a God, and that this present life isn't all there is.  And though your beliefs are less specific, and deistic, what makes your answer more respectable in regard to your "need"?  Does your criticism apply to your own beliefs?


quote:
They offer up Heaven, the second coming, or 75 virgins and all for the same reason. Since our imminent death is factual, people need to believe in something non-factual to offset reality.


Does that category (fact / non-fact) really explain this?  You say that religious people accept what is non-factual as an answer to that which is factual.  But why would mere facts need something to offset them?  You seem to assert that religious belief is unreal without exploring the nature of the "facts".  Its the nature of human death, psychology, and spirituality which invites belief ... not naked "facts".  The only question is whether such belief is warranted by the nature of things as a whole.        


Why has humanity always sought that which is spiritual?  Why has humanity (including yourself I'll bet) viewed death more like a question demanding an answer than just a bland and unremarkable fact?  Why have the ideas of justice, "putting things right", and judgement day run like an intractable thread through the history of thought (even the less religious Greeks)?  Why have the existential thinkers (who took atheism seriously) been obsessed with either the search or loss of meaning and purpose?  Why did the most notable Nihilists associate such a loss with the loss of God?  Why do even the anti-religious decry deplorable behavior and motives (as if it were somehow transcendental and more than just opinion) in their own arguments?      

quote:
It is  a lottery ticket for the soul. People plunk down their dollar, grasp their ticket tightly and think "Wouldn't it be great...?


Blaise Pascal did suggest that things might be a gamble ... but aptly pointed out that the gamble runs in both directions.  

If you imagine that believing in Christ may be a form of wish-fulfillment, I have to imagine same possibility is involved in unbelief.  At least its reasonable to think that human sin, conscience, and the haunting thought of standing before God as we are, could lead to a kind of desperate gamble as well, in the direction of denial.  

The "Wager" of course is no complete answer either way, to justify belief or unbelief.  But it is highly suggestive ... since you brought it up as a less sophisticated reversal of Pascal.  As the book of Romans describes, we've all been given no small amount of evidence.  But if it were just a kind of blind gamble, as Blaise pointed out, belief would be the better and safer bet.        
      

quote:
The only way to believe in the Second Coming is to have believed in the first


Right.


quote:
and to believe that, when it comes, they will be lost if they are not true believers at the time. (another velvet-lined threat in the religious arsenal)


What is wrong with even a "threat" if it is based upon something true and just?  Remember though, perdition can be thought of in many ways, not all of which involve threatening retribution ... Another angle (that Ron has mentioned before) is that of self-induced consequences through cause and effect.  Our condition being simply relational to God's nature.  Someone once said that the Fire of God only burns at the periphery.  Personally, I think all the angles of looking at perdition or punishment are valid in their own way.  Surely you don't reject law (in principle) simply because it involves threats?

quote:
Better keep buying that lottery ticket, just in case because one day your number will indeed be up.


You've got a point.  And though there's more than just death as a motivation to believe, it is universally binding.  


Blister:

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Well, it's not too hard to get that religion was created as a form of control, even the christion religions (catholicism). A bunch of rich white men wrote the book on it, and they're damn notorious for manipulating people.


White Europeans wrote the Bible?  When it becomes fashionable to look down upon a certain population (whose ancestors doubtlessly did some terrible things), its all too easy to skew history during the campaign.  


BTW, often religious movements emerged as a means to challenge control, later being misused (contrary to original ideals) to inflict the same kind of oppressive control.    


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All interesting discourse here.

John, I believe the Christ energy is here now and has been for the past two thousand or so years.  I also believe that a change is already in the works.  

It would be interesting to see how people answer the question I posed to my husband tonight.  It was:  "If UFOs actually came down to Earth and ETs explained that Jesus was one of theirs who had come here to try and get us a little more humane, how would that change your belief system?"  "Would you still believe in God?  Would you still believe Jesus was the Messiah, the Savior?"

Interestingly enough, he said he would be tempted to believe there was no God -- a real shocker to me.  I told him, it would not change my beliefs that much.  

I agree with Uriah that none of us can understand the depth of the One Source from which all else sprang, and most of us don't understand all the riddles that Jesus left us within the parables -- afterall, we have only what we are told, what we read, and our own consciousness, albeit with the potential of being Christ-filled, to interpret the true meaning of the sayings of the Master Teacher.  None among us can truely claim we understand it all -- we have to go on what feels true to each of us individually.  

The issue that all this Second Coming Doom's Day stuff markets is fear -- whether or not you're ready for it.  The real emphasis should not be put on the Second Coming, but rather, whether or not you are ready.  Period.  As my husband puts it, you could get hit with a Katrina tomorrow or get run over by a bus while crossing the street.  Rather than putting mass fear into the populus about the end of the world, the clergy should be trying to help people be prepared for learning the lessons they are here to learn now, for living the Golden Rule, loving one another, being a good steward of the Earth -- because you just never know when your number is up.  (I guess preachers have to start somewhere though and some people only get interested when they're afraid enough to do so.)       

As for coming back a second time myself, that would depend on whether that was my assignment or not and how obedient I am....lol.  


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