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Huan Yi
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0 posted 07-18-2007 06:31 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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So letís suppose thereís a Heaven.
What would make it Heaven for all eternity?


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I've known only one thing that was heavenly. And, with that one thing in place, all else was pretty much irrelevant.

Being with someone loved.

Losing that love, irretrievably and forever, seems like a pretty good description of Hell, too.
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Ambrosia for the heart
And a whole lot of Art
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I think Ron hit it right on the head..... Love.

Marilyn
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  Love itself is not heaven... but being with someone you love is... absolutely.

        MoonShadow
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Huan Yi
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So in Heaven you're for eternity
with the one who walked out on you
or chose another on Earth
or a God improved replica?


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John,

I think what Ron might be saying (correct me if I'm wrong Ron)  is that human love is a shadow of divine love.  And that if losing human love is such a woe, then imagine what losing divine love might be like.  Conversely, the presence of God's love is more significant than the best of human romances.


Hell is finally turning away a marriage proposal, only to regret it endlessly.  Heaven is like saying "Yes", and hearing "yes" back, even after refusing before.  It is the realization of relentless love.


Stephen.          
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Stephen understood perfectly.
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I have thought about this since it was posted..and I came up with a lot of things that would make it heaven for me...

and?  the bottom line is on one level or another they are all the same as what Ron said...

if you have that then all the rest fall into line.  

"too bad ignorance isn't painful"
~Unknown~

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I am not sure about much else but for me Heaven will have to have chocolate chip cookies.  
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AND ICECREAM!!!!!!
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I heard in order for them to last forevermore all the cookies and ice cream are locked in unbreakable glass cases so that no one may eat them  


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Ess,

Are you sure that's Heaven?  


Stephen.
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Ron I've been pondering what you've said.  I wrote this poem.  I hope you like it.


Rosebud is fallen
Citizen Cane Nods
Exiled in Xanadu
The time of singing is past
The voice of the turtledove
Is not heard in our land
Yet broken hearts may dare
To hope and pine
But the lost soul and contrite
Spirit are not the same
Like Christ and Belial
One is made sacrifice
The other shame
For when the lonesome mould
Like a millstone is cast
And there are no more bonds
To keep or sever
Regret becomes forever
Undying fiery worms and such
Can dissipate and some
May find relief thereby
But a loss of love divine
Always makes true lovers cry
And perhaps no hell is worse
Than having two eyes
Forever dry



(I posted this in Critical Analysis as well.  I hope that's okay since this was not posted as a "New Topic")  


Stephen.

[This message has been edited by Stephanos (07-23-2007 06:33 PM).]

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Stephanos,

Will God pull regret souls out of hell since He is love or Does He send all non-regret souls(before physical death) into hell?

Is there a regreting feeling in hell?


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My point was simply that "regret" (inasmuch as it is real) is a redemptive thing.  It is for now, to be used to turn ourselves toward divine love (and paradoxically as an ultimate antidote to itself).  But to be "okay" without God or Heaven is the worst kind of state.  Tears would be preferable such a dry and hardened grief.  

Stephen.
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Stephanos

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But to be "okay" without God or Heaven is the worst kind of state.
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Can we lose God's love before physical death? or simply becasue we do not acknowledge the love that is already there?
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"But to be "okay" without God or Heaven is the worst kind of state."

Crap. I'm screwed.

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My opinion is that God's love is never withdrawn on his part, though we may render ourselves unwilling then unable to have it.  As the character George Macdonald said in C.S. Lewis' The Great Divorce:  "Good beats upon the damned incessantly as sound waves beat on the ears of the deaf, but they cannot receive it."  To what degree this state may be realized in this present life or after death, I am unsure.  I am sure that we should be thankful for every tender feeling and opportunity to understand his grace now.


Stephen  
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Stephanos

You are very right. I agree with you.

So when one is cryng for lost heavenly love, is it mainly a whining? or simply because one is not behaving well enough to get it?
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quote:
So when one is cryng for lost heavenly love, is it mainly a whining? or simply because one is not behaving well enough to get it?


I think "lost heavenly love" may have one of two meanings.  Estrangement or final loss.  If it is the first, then no matter how bitter the separation may seem, it is temporary.  If Jesus cried "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?", then so may we.  And so may we hope to find God's grace even in times of struggle and darkness.  About the second kind ... I have no pretentions of knowing when that point is for anyone.  I'm only sure that God is longsuffering and willing that none should perish.


Also, as to "not behaving well enough", I don't think it's that.  What I'm speaking of has more to do with heart direction, and the birth of faith, than mere behavior.  Though behavior is important, love always goes beyond the question of just keeping rules.  That's probably why Paul spoke more of Faith and Love in connection with salvation, and reminded us of the powerlessness of the Law in that regard.  The paradox is, we need God's help to even begin to love him.  This is where the sense of "absence" may be redemptive, and result in a seeking that eventually finds.  


Stephen
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Heaven is one moment. One moment is all we can expect from perfection.
 
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