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"Is bliss necessarily a goal worth pursuing?"

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Drauntz
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0 posted 07-06-2007 07:28 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

Bliss
1.complete happiness  
2.paradise, heaven  
http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bliss

I say, yes! yes! yes!
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1 posted 07-06-2007 07:54 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I think women are more inclined to agree, Mz. D.

I've got two words for the guys:

"Multiple Orgasm"



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2 posted 07-06-2007 07:57 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

Dear SB, I agree with you.

Someone is going to jump at you, I think.

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3 posted 07-06-2007 09:30 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

But then the goal is a multiple orgasm, not bliss.

rwood
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is there another goal?
serenity blaze
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5 posted 07-06-2007 09:43 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Brad?

I think it's one of those things where you have to be there...

*laughing*
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6 posted 07-06-2007 10:06 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

Allow me to quote my favorite band, Modest Mouse, most likely the greatest band in the past two or three decades.  

From the song, "The View:"


As life gets longer, awful feels softer,
and it feels pretty soft to me.
And if it takes 'pain' to make bliss,
well I feel pretty blissfully.

If life's not beautiful without the pain,
well I'd just rather never ever even see beauty again.
Well as life gets longer, awful feels softer.
And it feels pretty soft to me.


I fixed it; without ruining the message. Sorry about that.


“Well all the apostles, they’re sittin’ on the swings, sayin’ I’d sell off my savior for a set of new rings.”

[This message has been edited by Edward Grim (07-06-2007 10:52 PM).]

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"The best sauce in the world is hunger, and as the poor are never without that, they always eat with a relish." Miguel de Cervantes - Don Quixote

Multiple orgasm, Karen, like so many of the pleasures people are most apt to chase, is actually a release from tension. Sex, hunger, thirst, sleep, that incessant itch two centimeters beyond the reach of your finger tips, all these and more are only pleasurable to the extent that satisfaction (ahem) is withheld for a time. Do you really want to define personal bliss as a temporary release from a discomfort that inevitably returns?

You want bliss, Karen? Okay, then, here's two words for you:

Nar cotics

The happiest person I ever met had an IQ of 67. And, yes, at times I very much envied him his innocent bliss.

Since I opened with a quotation from Don Quixote, perhaps I should close with what I think are some very appropriate words from Sancho:

"I don't know what that is," said Sancho; "all I know is that so long as I am asleep I have neither fear nor hope, trouble nor glory; and good luck betide him that invented sleep, the cloak that covers over all a man's thoughts, the food that removes hunger, the drink that drives away thirst, the fire that warms the cold, the cold that tempers the heat, and, to wind up with, the universal coin wherewith everything is bought, the weight and balance that makes the shepherd equal with the king and the fool with the wise man. Sleep, I have heard say, has only one fault, that it is like death; for between a sleeping man and a dead man there is very little difference."

Edward Grim
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I cut the profanity out myself, why'd you have to cut the entire line?

“Well all the apostles, they’re sittin’ on the swings, sayin’ I’d sell off my savior for a set of new rings.”

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Please see the highlighted portion of our Guidelines, Edward
Edward Grim
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I know, I forgot. I fixed it. Thanks for the heads up Ronald.

Sorry for the mixup.
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11 posted 07-06-2007 10:56 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

There is some pain that nar cotics won't touch, Ron.

And I've heard tell that too much of the stuff can kill you. (I don't need to be lectured on narcotics--I have the local obituaries sent directly to my inbox now. )

But--if I ever o.d. on sex, I'll make sure someone sends you the details, though.

But I agree with you, some of the happiest beings I have seen were mentally handicapped people, playing like kids on the playground. But when it was time to leave, their bliss was as shortlived as everyone else's.

If I have my druthers though, I'll still go for occasional bliss.

And yanno, the multiple orgasm is only fair. Women also have cramps, labor pains, and menopause.

sighing

EVERYTHNG is cyclic, Ron. Thank god/dess.

Try having a hot flash in July in New Orleans some time.

There's also meditative bliss, btw. You know about that though.



(Drauntz? Was this the "jump" you were waiting for?)

*EG*

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My dear SB,
when woman talks about bliss..it is kind of feeling....or I say an imagined life, i guess. It is kind of I wish, i wish..the goal is an imagined good, angelic life.

when man talks about it? unbearable to read.
all is to meet their desires. not at all romantic...this is a site for poetry!!!!you know
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13 posted 07-06-2007 11:41 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I think tonight, I'm gonna aim for "bliss" in my sleep!

*grin*

g'nite Mz. D!

(g'nite boys)

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14 posted 07-06-2007 11:44 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

have a very good sleep, dear SB.

many hugs and kisses. and sleep tight.

I was just told that a kiwi at night would help  sleep better.

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quote:
There is some pain that nar cotics won't touch, Ron.

Indeed, Karen, we both know it creates more pain than ever it alleviates. I wasn't recommending it, just offering it as a very costly vehicle. I think the point Brad was trying to make is that when bliss is your goal, the way you reach it isn't important. A frontal lobotomy will work just as well as multiple orgasms and will likely last a whole lot longer.

quote:
If I have my druthers though, I'll still go for occasional bliss.

Occasional bliss? Isn't that an oxymoron? A bit like very unique?

If bliss equals complete happiness, then frankly, I don't believe bliss exists. But setting aside semantics for a minute, I personally don't think even commonplace happiness is a destination we can set in our sights and hope to reach some day. It's not a goal, but rather one potential result of pursuing our goals. In short, the destination is far less important than how you get there. That's why I believe narcotics, lobotomies, ignorance, and even multiple orgasms make poor vehicles and even poorer goals.

Then again, I'm not a woman.

However, if memory serves me, men are often just as ambitious in that arena as any woman. The big difference being our quest for multiple orgasms is usually accomplished with multiple women. And, no, that doesn't lead to much bliss either.
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16 posted 07-07-2007 12:24 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Maybe bliss is easier than you guys make out.

Maybe it is a matter of knowing when you are happy.

Expecting it to last forever, I agree, is folly.

Now g'nite Ronboy.
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17 posted 07-07-2007 12:32 AM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

wake up, dear SB, can't sleep yet. You have pushed Our Reverend Sir Ron too close to the ditch.

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Dear Sir Ron,

"I personally don't think even commonplace happiness is a destination we can set in our sights and hope to reach some day. It's not a goal, but rather one potential result of pursuing our goals."

the feeling of bliss, I am sorry to say this, you can not control at all. it is the rush of hormone which give you the pleasant feelings. It is the feeling that you pursue. To be honest, what does your PIP give you?
can't tell because you are not a woman.
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19 posted 07-07-2007 02:07 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I knew somebody called me. (It's that intuitive woman thing, I guess.)



And Drauntz? Don't underestimate Ron. He doesn't push so easily.

In fact, I've heard rumors he's actually sweet.

Don't tell him I told you that though.

sigh

Sleep...

Hmmm.

How long does it take that kiwi to kick in anyhow?

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20 posted 07-07-2007 09:59 AM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Bliss is "happiness".  Period.

It is a noun formed from the word blithe.

In Old English there was a verb for bliss as well, which meant "to rejoice"  

Obviously happiness is a worthy pursuit.  But it must not be the only pursuit and ought to be in conjunction with other important things, such as health, safety, virtue, wisdom, and other things that help preserve and enrich life and worth in this life.


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Thanks Ess.

I knew I could count on you.

"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

there's a lot of responsibility in all of that.

and the occasional orgasm keeps the hormones in check so I don't wind up in the penal system.


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I don't understand why you will advertise that.

I'm sure you have other things that may be much worthier to mention.
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No. I feel fine with what I've written.

I mentioned:

Life
Liberty
Pursuit of Happiness
Responsibility

then the word orgasm.

It's already way down there on the list, Ess.

but thanks for inquiring.    

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24 posted 07-07-2007 01:32 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

My dear SB

"In fact, I've heard rumors he's actually sweet."

Don't tell me that Sir Ron is sweet. I certainly  has sensed it but if your words prove that, then each time I write a poem i shall have a good dip in him so my poem sure would shine and much sweeter which is a bliss to them.  
oh how bad I can get?!

have a wonderful weekend, my dear lady SB!

wish you had a good sleep last night.
 
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