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rwood
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25 posted 07-06-2007 07:23 PM       View Profile for rwood   Email rwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for rwood

I am blissssfully too stubborn to not ever have myself a piece of honest pie.

It's good for the soul sometimes.
(okay that's it. I am officially cursed with the rhyme thing.)
Brad
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26 posted 07-06-2007 09:29 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Why are my goals dependent on another's judgement?

What does that have to do with anything?

[insert appropriate qualifier here] The quest for bliss, insofar as we follow the dictionary definition provided by D., is nonsensical and doomed to failure.
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27 posted 07-06-2007 10:07 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

Dear Sir Brad,

"The quest for bliss, insofar as we follow the dictionary definition provided by D., is nonsensical and doomed to failure."

why? this is a philosophical forum, though 101.
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No Karen, really it IS more than semantics.  

It's better to be in kindergarten than to fail the 8th grade 8 times.




Stephen.
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29 posted 07-07-2007 09:40 AM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

If one finds bliss in ignorance, it is because bliss may be found despite ignorance, not because it is dependant on it.  
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30 posted 07-07-2007 12:22 PM       View Profile for oceanvu2   Email oceanvu2   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for oceanvu2

Actually, Bliss isn't all that hard to find:
http://crcs.seas.harvard.edu/workshop/2006/slides_bliss.pdf.  

Best, Jim  
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31 posted 07-07-2007 12:48 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

I was tricked!!!

Sir Jim, -2 on your credit.
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What is Buddhism but a quest to return
to ignorance?

And isnít there something from Christ
about only children in spirit entering
the kingdom?

.
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33 posted 07-07-2007 09:25 PM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

John:
quote:
And isnít there something from Christ
about only children in spirit entering
the kingdom?


I don't think this was a promotion of ignorance (which is but one relative quality of children), but of those qualities in Children which represent unspoiled or innocent perception, or emotions.  The thing about sinful adults living in a sinful world is that cynicism, skepticism, and sardonic insight enter in.  We become hard of heart.  So a denial of knowledge is not what Jesus was recommending, but a denial of a certain reaction to it which is only natural, but nonetheless lamentable.  This is very different from the Buddhist concept of dissolution, or loss of one's identity into the "One".  Rather than no-thought, Christianity recommends right-thought.  Rather than the abolition of the mind, it recommends the renewing of the mind to a pristine state.  


Here's another scripture which illustrates the idea that it is not knowledge per se, but a certain kind of knowledge that is discouraged in the Judeo-Christian tradition:


"Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults." (1 Corinthians   14:20)


Very few children are adept at evil.  And I think that is the main thrust of the idea.


Stephen.    
 
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