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Huan Yi
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0 posted 06-01-2007 06:17 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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If you go on the Fidelity Retirement site 401k.com
they have a tool that calculates the monthly monies
you would receive given your current retirement balance.
The calculation is premised on the participant living
to 100.

My first reaction was that whoever worked the model up
was either ignorant, blind, or insane.

But I could be wrong.  

I have visions of Pope John Paul and my own father
that influence me.

Does anyone seriously want, except out of fear, to live to be 100?

John


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1 posted 06-01-2007 06:27 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I do.

Mortality is something that has been on my mind since I was smacked with it, nearly six years ago, when my father died.

I spent nearly every day of my life since then, with this ugly voice in my head that said, "I wish I were dead."

And even as I lost two old friends this past week, I have realized something, and it sounds so easy, but it was a slow train coming--I do not want to die.

Even with all of the painful "goodbyes" that are inevitable as I age--there are also the many joyful "hello's".

Life is painful without love, and love is painful when it is lifeless.

There is so much I want to see now, John.

And I am smiling, because just yesterday, I thought, "If I live to be a hundred, then this is all going to be a blink--a mere glitch in this life of mine."

Yeah, I'll take the ride...
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2 posted 06-01-2007 06:28 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

on a given cause.
Huan Yi
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My father was one of those who signed a document
requesting, (actually an insistence on his part), that
no extraordinary measures be taken to bring him back
to life.  He wasn’t afraid of death but dying badly.
He knew, as I do, that at some point in time, if not
pain, you’re not you anymore.

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4 posted 06-01-2007 07:03 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

hey you--get outta mah head.

I came back to add a codicile:

as long as I am not a burden to anyone.

Pain is inevitable.

I'm in pain right now. *shrug*

(and pssssssssst...whispering "it could be worse." I whisper that because--wince--everytime I say that--it gets worse...)

But I used to think, that at least with death it would be over. Then one day it occurred to me that I don't really know that for a fact.

So? I'll stay with the devil I know.

Huan Yi
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"Then one day it occurred to me that I don't really know that for a fact."
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"To sleep--perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th' unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprise of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action."


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6 posted 06-01-2007 09:25 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

If nothing else, I might finish my reading list...



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Yes.

I don't think I need to try to justify wanting to live as long as possible.
Huan Yi
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"I don't think I need to try to justify wanting to live as long as possible."

Is that life without adjectives
to the noun?

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Essorant
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I am not sure what you mean by life "without adjectives".
Edward Grim
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I want to die at 50, 60 at the latest.

“Suddenly a giant Cabbage Patch Doll jumps out from behind the shower curtain and grabs him violently.”

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i would not want to live to be 100, although some would disagree. i like to be able to do things for myself and at that age i don't believe that is totally possible.
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Life of course is the ultimate value
yet there are adjectives that then determine
the quality of that  value.  Life in comfort is one thing;
bereft of the pleasures of life is another

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Edward Grim, you are hurting your parents!
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Well Ed,
quote:

"Getting old isn't for sissies"

--LR's Father on his deathbed



I'll see your 100 John, and raise you 210!
Drauntz
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Sir Yi Huan

  "Life in comfort is one thing;
bereft of the pleasures of life is another"

May you please define COMFORT and PLEASURE?
Edward Grim
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I must be a sissy in training.

Quite frankly, I'd be cool with going now, but I've got too much to do.


Have a good one, old people...

“Suddenly a giant Cabbage Patch Doll jumps out from behind the shower curtain and grabs him violently.”

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17 posted 06-04-2007 08:01 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

and much luck, Young'n!

Edward Grim
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18 posted 06-04-2007 10:37 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

heh, my mom once told me I'm too paranoid to die. My other siblings have too much angst to bite the last cookie, so I guess I not too bad off.
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I think I would have understood LR's father pretty well. The young (and I was more guilty than most) believe they are willing to live life only on their own terms. They don't want to accept the infirmity of age nor the inevitability of dependence. They will live young, they cry out, or live not at all.

It is only later they will come to realize they have always lived life on its terms, not on their own.

Unless they walked on water or leaped over tall buildings in a single bound, they took the hand they were dealt at birth and played it, sometimes wisely, sometimes foolishly, but always with limited cards. Newton was never smart enough, Cleopatra never beautiful enough, and even our greatest heroes, from Hercules to Beowulf to that guy in a cape who really does leap over tall buildings in a single bound, were never quite strong enough. There is always infirmity, always the possibility and the wish for more. We strive where we can, accept where we can't, and trust me on this, we can accept a lot more than we ever believe possible. Ask Christopher Reeve, Michael J. Fox, or Stephen Hawking.

The question to ask yourselves isn't how long you want to live, but rather, how long you believe hope should remain alive.

What qualities of life do we value most? Your intelligence, your physical strength and speed, your beauty and sexual desirability, those all rest on a bell curve largely determined at the moment of conception. We rise, then peak all too quickly, after which it's all a swift, inexorable rush down hill. Courage and hope, however, respect no such bounds. If these qualities can be described by a mathematical curve, I have to believe it's one of our own choosing, one without the limitations imposed by the hand of nature. We chart our own course.

Your body will weaken with time. Eventually, it will fail you. Hope need not follow suit, however, and so long as we have a glimmer of hope for tomorrow there will remain a burning desire to see that tomorrow dawn.

How long do I want to live? Until I can find nothing else about which to dream.


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Edward Grim

read Ron's words, Edward
tonight ten times in a row
you'll ha ha ha grow
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I'm beginning to believe Ron, that you may be understanding ME pretty well!  
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quote:
What qualities of life do we value most?


nodding

even the answers change...

My dad dragged around an oxygen tank, and told me, gasping:

"Life is good."

and it is...even this incomprehensible life without him...is good.

"We're kinda perfect..."
Edward Grim
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quote:
What qualities of life do we value most? Your intelligence, your physical strength and speed, your beauty and sexual desirability...


How about peace? And that's the one thing I sure ain't getting. Growing old doesn't bother me, my favorite people on earth are old. It's dealing with myself for the rest of my life I got problems with.
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Smiles.

But Ed, even you can grow on you. I admire you for your honesty.

Yep, I don't want to live forever, but long enough to be able to finally laugh at my mistakes (that may take forever, huh?)

I'd like to see my great-grandkids dance, hear what kind of music they're dancing too, feel the vibes from whatever they're playing the music on, and smell the money it will take to buy it. Laugh.

I even wonder what flavor they'll come up with in 60 years.

I guess I'm too curious to wanna kick the bucket anytime soon.
 
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