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Essorant
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25 posted 06-05-2007 11:06 AM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Any kind of life is better than death.
Edward Grim
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26 posted 06-05-2007 11:24 AM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

I really like your attitude towards life Regina. It's refreshing to hear people say stuff like that. I think you'll have a really great life.


quote:
Any kind of life is better than death.


Ess, I couldn't disagree with you more.

“Suddenly a giant Cabbage Patch Doll jumps out from behind the shower curtain and grabs him violently.”

Aurelian
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27 posted 06-05-2007 02:47 PM       View Profile for Aurelian   Email Aurelian   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Aurelian

Would life purchased at the expense of betrayal of the innocent be better than no life?

About the live to be 100 thing.

I've always wanted to be old and wise.

Call it one of Josh's strange quirks, but I never really liked being young and foolish.

Comparatively speaking, that is - I've always loved life whenever and however I've come across it - like rwood, I'm too curious about a lot of things to want to die now.

But if it happens, I'm sure there would be even more to learn over there.

Contentment in everything!
Essorant
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28 posted 06-06-2007 02:09 AM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

"Would life purchased at the expense of betrayal of the innocent be better than no life?"


If I could save your life by betraying you, I certainly would.  Although loyalty is important in life, it is not more important than life itself.

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29 posted 06-06-2007 01:42 PM       View Profile for Aurelian   Email Aurelian   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Aurelian

Na, na, na - my friend, I meant that if one could save his own life by betraying another would it be worth it? Like those who turned on their fellow men and helped the Nazis stuff the incinerators for a few more days of life. Is that kind of life better than death? I think not.
Edward Grim
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30 posted 06-06-2007 02:25 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

Ess, why don't you tell the starving and Aids-stricken children of Africa that their lives are better than death. How about the people of Darfur? How about teenage girls sold as sex slaves? What about the people living under constant physical and mental torture? Are their lives better than death? They know death like we know the T.V. guide Essorant. It's easy for someone to say any kind of life is better than death when they're not burning in an earthly hell.

“Suddenly a giant Cabbage Patch Doll jumps out from behind the shower curtain and grabs him violently.”

Huan Yi
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31 posted 06-07-2007 09:09 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

.

There is a point
where the mere body takes over
and life becomes only pain not pleasure
regardless of what doctors do

.
Ron
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32 posted 06-07-2007 09:43 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

quote:
There is a point where the mere body takes over and life becomes only pain not pleasure regardless of what doctors do

Right. The first instance of that is called birth. Trauma on steroids, I hear tell.

Paint any morbid picture you want, including any or all on Edward's list, and I'm sure we can find individuals who have gone through as much or more and went on to survive and eventually thrive. Pain, either physical or emotional, is a damn poor reason to quit. At anything.
Edward Grim
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33 posted 06-07-2007 10:38 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

quote:
Paint any morbid picture you want, including any or all on Edward's list, and I'm sure we can find individuals who have gone through as much or more and went on to survive and eventually thrive. Pain, either physical or emotional, is a damn poor reason to quit. At anything.


I'm not talking about ending one's life Ron, or even quitting for that matter. I'm simply saying that people in those situations don't consider their lives better than death. Maybe when it's all over, assuming that their pains in life ever will end.

And you're right, people do rise above their problems in life.

“Suddenly a giant Cabbage Patch Doll jumps out from behind the shower curtain and grabs him violently.”

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34 posted 06-07-2007 11:59 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

"people in those situations don't consider their lives better than death"

Edward, you are not blamed for the words because you are young. Nobody REALLY thinks like that or really feels like that. If any body says this to you, you will know that they are asking for a purpose for staying on. esp love and care. I have seen many.
Edward Grim
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35 posted 06-08-2007 09:53 AM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

quote:
Nobody REALLY thinks like that or really feels like that.


If nobody thinks this way, then how come I think this way? I'm not some great originator of radical thought you know. It might not be the way you think but I doubt the whole world disagrees with what I said.

I'm also a firm believer in the afterlife. And depending on how you live your life, the eternal life can indeed be better than this one.

quote:
Edward, you are not blamed for the words because you are young.


Drauntz, I'm accountable for any words that come out of my mouth. Don't "blame" my age for what I say; "blame" me.

“Suddenly a giant Cabbage Patch Doll jumps out from behind the shower curtain and grabs him violently.”

Drauntz
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36 posted 06-08-2007 11:57 AM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

Edward Grim,

go to nursing home and ask the old  and sick. go to the cancer wards to ask patient there.

You think that is only you think of that? No. many people think like you. Because you have never been under that as you said" death is better than life" situation.

people struggle to live not struggle to die.

Edward Grim
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37 posted 06-08-2007 01:32 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

quote:
You think that is only you think of that? No.


I already said that I'm not the only one who thinks that way when I said:

quote:
I'm not some great originator of radical thought you know... I doubt the whole world disagrees with what I said.





quote:
Because you have never been under that as you said" death is better than life" situation.


How on earth would you know? You don't know me and you don't know what I've been through so don't act like you do.
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38 posted 06-08-2007 03:00 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

The case of one of my dearest friend.

her father got amputated  one leg knee down due to diabetes at the age of 78. Her mother was with kidney failure, dialysis three time a week.

her father's brother said to him "If i were you, i would rather die than have my leg amputated." when he visited him in hospital. her uncle's words hurt my friend deeply. A jerk..her word.

The father said to her "I would rather die than have my led out (means handicapped esp means losing dignity in his heart and more depending in his mind.) but if I die, you have to take care of your mother by your self. So for you, i will live and learn to use the artificial leg"  

1 year later, he got lung cancer. he lived on and tried all kind of new medicine plus went through chemo. His predicted life was 3 months to half year based on the type and stage of his cancer. But he struggled for 3 and half years with a quite high spirit.

life...life, how we struggle, is short.
cherish.

my thought.

[This message has been edited by Drauntz (06-08-2007 04:37 PM).]

serenity blaze
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39 posted 06-08-2007 06:01 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

"It's a good day to die."

A quote from one of my favorite movies, Little Big Man, starring Dustin Hoffman.

And y'gotta love the shrugging acceptance in this following scene:

"[Grandfather, who has laid himself down to die, wakes up]

Grandfather: Am I still in this world?
Jack Crabb: Yes, Grandfather.
Grandfather: [groans] I was afraid of that. Well, sometimes the magic works, sometimes it does not."



I think what I'm trying to say is that if we all agree that suicide is not an option for an exit--we are not allowed to choose.

Ever since Katrina and Rita made a sandwich outta me--I try to keep my plans flexible, yanno? So I guess what I'm trying to say is, it's a bit silly to get all emotional about this topic. We do not get to order life or death like a pizza--with toppings of our choice. I don't even think we're allowed to push ourselves away from the table at our own discretion!

Prolly a good thing too. We're a moody buncha beings.

oceanvu2
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40 posted 06-08-2007 06:16 PM       View Profile for oceanvu2   Email oceanvu2   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for oceanvu2

I'd like to remain reasonably healthy and outlive my wife.  Otherwise she'll be forced to go into a nursing home ---  a terminal indignity after her twenty years of dealing with MS.  After that, I don't care.

For some reason, while I was young and still immortal, these words had a shaping effect on me:  Nothing ever changes, it doesn't get any better, and it doesn't make any difference.  Kind of a grim implant in an 18 year old mind, but it stuck.

So far, I've faced imminent and likely death twice, once from bullet wounds and once from cancer.  I have to admit I wasn't tickled by the prospect of an early exit.  

Right now, I have no desire to pull a Sylvia Plath, but if the third time proves to be the charm, well, I AM going gently into that good night.

I can't imagine living to 100, but I'm still delusional enough to think my best day just might be tomorrow.

Best, Jim
Edward Grim
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41 posted 06-08-2007 08:16 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

Jimbeaux! Where've you been hiding these days?


You've got a great attitude towards life man. You take yoga classes? hahaha

“Suddenly a giant Cabbage Patch Doll jumps out from behind the shower curtain and grabs him violently.”

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42 posted 06-08-2007 09:03 PM       View Profile for oceanvu2   Email oceanvu2   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for oceanvu2

Edster:  Been sick as a dog last two weeks.  Some kind of persistant stomach flu.

And, nah, I don't take yoga classes.  I take Vicodin.

Outlooks on life tend to transform with time and experiences.  I wouldn't recommend mine to anybody.  

I can't remember if I've posted this before, but there is a great line from Tom Waits:  "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."  Right now, I'm looking at a bottle of Pouilly Fume' and contemplating lamb chops.

Jimbeaux
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43 posted 06-09-2007 05:28 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

dear Edward Grim,

One of my friend at 37 was diagnosed with Stomach cancer the day before yesterday. she has two children ,9,11.  She asks around for people to pray for her. and she told me that she told God that she did not want to die. She now is preparing for the CT-scan and meeting surgeon, prepare for the operation.

Another friend, lupus, suffered lung infection this spring, one child, 4 years old. She struggled in ICU for 1 month with kidney failure. Doctors said that she had 20% chance to survive. She survived. She had her two fingers amputated due to gangrene before going home. When I met her last week, she has smiles. She went through a very low mood period but she managed to come out with all the prayers and help from friends. Also She has very good husband.

as you said, I do not even know you. But what you said worried me. think about the people who know you and who care about you and who love you. yep. live, and try live a happy life.

hugs


Huan Yi
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44 posted 06-10-2007 03:51 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

.

Does anyone remember the movie Zardoz?

.
oceanvu2
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Hi --  Wasn't "Zardoz" the one where Sean Connery runs around in a loin cloth?

Best, Jim
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quote:
And, nah, I don't take yoga classes.  I take Vicodin.


*laughing through tears*

It's great to have you back, Jim.
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47 posted 06-12-2007 09:14 AM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Smiling at Karen and Ron here-

My boyfriend (oops- fiancee now) always says he wants to die around 50 or 60...

Proximity to mortality (especially in those you love) can shape your outlook a lot. My grandfather's words, before open-heart surgery: "I'm scared... I don't want to die." And I harbor no illusions- his last words, before he suffered a massive heart attack and coded in dialysis- "It's starting to hurt." Was he scared? I'm sure... Looking into enough strangers' eyes when they just know something's about to go wrong... when you walk in the room and they are grey and sweaty and say "Nurse, I feel like I'm going to die..." Those are words a nurse hates to hear, because it usually means that they will- it's a sign of major problems.

Nobody looks happy when they say those words. I don't care if they are ninety years old with a colostomy and being fed through a tube in their stomach and have fifty drains sucking secretions out of them- if they are still with it enough to say those words, they are scared.

Maybe it's just my nature... but even before I worked in healthcare- I knew the look... my grandparents, my mother (not my dad- post open-heart, and still with dire health problems, he kept pushing the PCA button and cursing about how "there's not enough morphine in this whole hospital to get me high!" lol) but I don't know... it seems like hubris to me, and has for years, to make a declaration like "I want to die when I'm 50 or 60." As if you know what your life will be like then. As if you know you will have nothing more to live for. As if you know, after that point, your life will no longer be worth living- which, to me, seems like an insult to anyone over the age of sixty, especially if they still have a desire to live. And, most irritating to me, as if you are better or more priveleged than any of us other poor saps who are burdened by the infirmities of age... as if you are exempt.

I just think, to me, I like to play things more by ear than to make rash generalizations... and if my time comes, before or after 60, I can only hope I will have the luck to know in advance and the grace to get my affairs straightened up and get into hospice where I'll be made comfortable.

So, I guess, long story short, I don't really love or hate the idea of living to 100- I just like the idea, as Ron puts it, of living until I lose hope.
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48 posted 06-12-2007 12:20 PM       View Profile for Drauntz   Email Drauntz   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Drauntz

For anybody who has a dream, a dream to be a better person or dream to have a better world without war, Young( Mattie Stapanek, died at 11 yrs and poem "Journey Through Heartsongs), or old (Billy Graham, 89yrs still preaching his dream), live or die, there is a spirit and the spirit goes on after the breath is out. For anybody who has no dream, live or die, goes the moving corpse.

It is not the age dies first, it is the dream, the strength, the hope, the dream dies first. And this is the most scary part.  That is why health workers have to  put their hearts into profession. Most of the time, it is not the disease kills. It is the  depressed mood that plays quite a role in killing patients.

If all health workers become killers,  things will be much easier. one may say, today,let us set up 60 as the limit. Tomorrow, it may goes down to 30.

life is a gift...cherish!!!! and if you have been loved, share it out. Young or old is not important. Today's medical advance, almost every organ(not brain yet) can be replaced by  working ones. So one is expected to live to 120 yrs soon. one has to have healthy spirit to go with it.
 
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