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I confess I still haven't finished reading the book--there's so much to think about in it I find myself distracted by the many underlying themes. I've also found that my "logical" mind (I've got one-it's just rusy) has had some difficulty in digesting it because my logical mind likes a time period, and there's so many conflicting ideas represented by advanced technologies that seemingly co-exist in what I assumed was a bygone era. But enough about why Karen can't read.

I just read that this project has been in "developemental hell" (I completely understand why) for some twenty years (at least) but the option has now been picked again, by a new agency, and they have gotten so far as to name their stars.

" Angelina Jolie has been confirmed to play the role of Dagny Taggart, and Brad Pitt is rumored to be cast as John Galt."

So, while I am curious to know of any reactions people might have regarding the choices, I also would like to pose a question:

Is there anything considered "too sacred" for film adaptation? If you think "yes", please share what works that might be and why.


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I would vote yes for Brad Pitt and no for Angelina.....and a definite yes on it being too sacred.

They tried it with The Fountainhead with Gary Cooper and made a complete mess of it. It would be worse for Atlas Shrugged. Let's face it. The novel is anti-union, anti-governmental interference into schools, science and a host of other things, anti-organized religion and a list of other anti's that stretches as far as the mind's eye can see. It praises the man of intellect and the man willing to put in an honest hour's work for an honest hour's pay. It does not hand out excuses to the lazy, nor does it give praise where it is not due. It is not a movie that, in it's true form, the public would want (or dare) or see. The producers would simply take snippets and glue them together with the intent not to offend.

I sincerely hope they do not try.....
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What I find interesting though, is that apparently Ayn Rand, was working on the screenplay herself. (If I can trust the info on wikipedia...)

But if nothing else, the idea of a movie will force me to finish the book!

*laughing*

I really HATE seeing a movie before I read the book. And it goes without saying, I will forever wonder what vision she had for the movie version.

And btw? Thanks Mike, for the reading list advice. I just have to stop putting the book down to ponder. (I get really lost in other things when I do that.)

It truly is a feast of thought.
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Her vision would have been, I am sure, to produce it exactly the way it was written. I doubt she would have found a studio willing to accept that. After all, 28 publishers turned down the book before it was put in print.

The heroes are rich, powerful business leaders, along with uncompromising intellects - hardly the type of figures today's society relates to. Just recount the attacks on people like Bill Gates or companies like Wal-Mart, whose main crime is that they ARE rich and successful and the best at what they do. No, today's society (spurred on by multi-millionaire politicians attacking the rich and successful) considers success as evil, and the more successful one is, the greater the evil. Ayn Rand would have had a difficult time making the movie in her standards but, with her staunch belief and determination that nothing is impossible if one sets one's mind to it, I won't be the one to say she couldn't have done it

Don't fret about putting the book down to ponder. That is the only way you can get the full flavor and meaning out of it. She doesn't write just WORDS - she writes thoughts and situations and comparitives designed to make on think and apply her thoughts into present life and the descriptions of her characters makes us look into our own lives for those same characters WE have run into. She will also throw in  little gems only the keen eye can spot. One one page near the beginning of AS a man looks at a large calendar lit up on the side of a skyscraper and ponders "That reminds me of some phrase but I can't recall it". Hundreds of pages later someone mentions to him that his days are numbered and he thinks "That phrase reminds me of something I saw but I can't remember what."  There are many such little caveats scattered throughout her works.

Did I mention I like her writings?
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Well, reading her has certainly "upped the bar" for me for what I would like to achieve in my fiction writing.

*grin*

I used to hit the wall at chapter six, in this, um, my never-ending attempt at The Great American Novel.

Now I hit the wall at the first SENTENCE!



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I can relate! One exercize of mine is to read a paragraph I like, put down whatever book, and try to duplicate the thought that paragraph put forth as clearly as the author. I can't do it with her at all.

She said once at a press conference that she never put a word into her books that was not relevant to the story. She said she never wrote of the hero getting up and brushing his teeth - not because her characters didn't brush their teeth - but because it was not pertinent to the story. She then allowed reporters to take sentences or paragraphs of her books and quiz her on why whe wrote it exactly that way and she always had a detailed answer.

She also mentioned at a conference that "Delay is the past tense of denial." A reporter asked her what she meant by that and she replied "I'll tell you later" and walked away. How can one not love this woman?
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Nodding.

I admire efficiency too. (I am an adjective Nazi at times.)

And thanks for sharing that story--I do believe I am completely smitten with her now.

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Ayn Randís enemy was a society built on the idea:
from each according to his ability, to each according
to his needs, ( which was pretty much Communism
as an ideal in her time), the problem being that the needs
of others are endless so the creator has little or no
chance of reward special to his effort.

Still I never understood where Randís objective egoism
could, for example,  justify having children.  And absent
the fear of retribution, there is an underlying: if they canít
swim let them drown attitude.

John

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if they canít
swim let them drown attitude.


If that's the impression you get from her, John, then you have missed her point entirely.
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Mike,

I wonder if we've read the same book?

As I'm sure you know, her original title was, after all, "The Strike".

Cut that interminable train ride, cut the speech. The only thing that I suspect Hollywood types would find objectionable would be the sex scene on the train.

For me, Galt's Gulch is still the best description of real communism I can think of.

Problems with having children? Rand is very clear about this. If having children is what you choose to do, then that is what you should do. What pisses her off is that people have children so that they can pity themselves.

Sorry, for being all over the place. Don't have much time.


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This is totally off-topic Brad--

but I just tested this:

and how come I have to be "pist" in here and have "brain-frats"--???
But apparently it's okay for you to be appropriately pi ssed? (Hmmm...)
RON???

What's up with that? C'mon Wiz...it's philosophy!!! er, ain't it?
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.


It was over 30 years ago
and I was young then

Still . . .

What direct obligation or responsibility
did she recognize to those less fortunate
to be as talented or persevering?

John

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Brad, we obviously did NOT read the same book.

Galt's Gulch a pefect example of communism? I have NO idea where that comes from. True, all were committed to the same goal but no one "owed" anything to anyone and they all worked for their own profit. If you will recall, at the end when John Galt was going back to the "world", Francisco pleaded with him not to go because the world had become very unstable and it wasn't safe. What Francisco was really saying was "What would happen to us if something happened to you?" One look from Galt made him realize that and he apologized. Ergo....man's responsibility is to himself alone.  The perfect example of communism in the book was the recollection of the motor company that failed where Galt perfected his motor. She went into exact detail on that and it's unmistakeable.

What all would liberal Hollywood object to? Tell me you're joking
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Mike,


"but no one "owed" anything to anyone and they all worked for their own profit."

I don't then understand your objection.

John
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What direct obligation or responsibility
did she recognise to those less fortunate
to be as talented or persevering?


John, she expected everyone to attempt to achieve to the best of their ability. One did not have to be "as talented". One only had to do his best. She was more than willing to recognize and help those people. She was not against having children but she was against having children who could not be raised properly while the parents expected the state or others to pick up the tab.

Would she save a drowning person? Yes, but only once. She would expect that person to either learn to swim or stay away from water after that experience.
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Karen,

You're on double secret probation.

John,
I hear that.

I read Atlas Shrugged a few years back as a result of this forum. Recently, however, I saw the hagiography of her life and as much as I found it also interminable, the interview clips  were very interesting. There  really wasn't anything I had a problem with. In fact, I found myself agreeing with most of it. At the very least, it's pretty much how I live my life anyway.
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quote:
she expected everyone to attempt to achieve to the best of their ability. One did not have to be "as talented". One only had to do his best. She was more than willing to recognize and help those people.


That's where it comes from.

Rand's views on what women 'really' want are most definitely not in favor today (for good reason). Now that I think about it, another problem will be what's his name's (Is it Harry?) reaction when Taggert switches boyfriends.  
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John, I'm afraid we have a miscommunication. My objection to what? I have no objection...

Brad, if you live your life by her standards, I salute you. I tried and found it to be too hard. Yes, many people agree with her philosophies. That's why she has sold millions of books and has as many subscribers to her Objectivist newsletter. It's also why she was the most requested college speaker of her day.
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Honestly, I'm a little confused by that. If I agree with a lot of what she says, why would I try to live up to her standards?

The only standards that I have to live up to are my own.

Have I missed something here?

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"double secret probation"

Izzat like back-to-back sentences of life imprisonment???

oh myyyyyyyyyyyyy...

I've never enjoyed a conversation more, about something I know absolutely nothing about, in my life.

That's prolly not true, but it'll do. For now.


I really must finish this book.


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woman "philosophers" and woman preachers, I take no words from them.

If she was sent to Siberia and came back alive,
she would not have had such view of world.

Thank to SB, I learned something new today.
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If what you learned today, Drauntz, was a disparagement/disappointment of women, I'd like no thanks for that.

No offense taken, and none meant.

I accidentally touched upon a passionate topic. (Please note, that the initial post asked about any works considered "too sacred" for film.)

Sometimes you confuse me, sweetie...but that happens to me alot too.
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always love and respect you, SB.

I do not take philosophers seriously...too much
a burden.

have a wonderful night and sleep tight.My dear lady.

[This message has been edited by Drauntz (06-02-2007 03:35 AM).]

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"Ergo....man's responsibility is to himself alone."

Hence no higher duty or morality?

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The only standards that I have to live up to are my own.

Brad, since you took my wording the wrong way, let me re-phrase it.

If the standards you live your live by are similar to hers I applaud you.

No need to get feathers ruffled for no reason

Drauntz, if she had lived her life in Siberia? An excellent point! Perhaps if you would  read her first novel (not counting Anthem)WE THE LIVING, you would have your answer. Ms. Rand is Russian and grew up there. That book is based on her observations and experiences growing up under the Soviet regime. For her to begin there, emigrate to the States as a teen, learn English as a second language and become the writer she became is an incredible testament to her. You may want to run from philosophers but Any Rand did not write her novels as philosophical pieces. She said many times that her primary goal in wring a novel was to make it a good story. Whether readers agreed with the views here characters set forth or not, that was secondary. As it turned out, millions did
 
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