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Assonance, Dissonance, Consonance?

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oceanvu2
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What role does music play in your poetry?  Do you write for the page or the voice?

Best, Jim


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who are they? I have never heard them before.
I write with the music of my feelings.

tell more!
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Well, I must say, I write best when under the instruction of Dvorak, or Hayden... but I can still write without music. But, it does offer a wide range of feelings to invoke... so I would have to say, that music is better for writing poetry... and I write for the page... not the voice I'm afraid.

Mwah (Just for you Jim... teeheehee)
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The best and worst of poems in time
Go down much better read in rhyme.
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I think the music of the piece has a lot to do with my poetry.

I'm always tweaking with the sound factor, trying to get the mood I want.

A couple poems of mine ("After the Thundershower", for example) started more as sound-schemes to which I added a story rather than the other way around.
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5 posted 05-17-2007 03:03 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

Music is my muse.

Modest Mouse
Tom Waits
The Beatles
Led Zeppelin
Arab Strap
Rammstein
Jelly Roll Morton
Pink Floyd
Danielson
B.B. King
Ray Charles
The Temptations
Hot Chocolate
Muddy Waters
Louis Armstrong
Classical music
Opera

The list is endless.

I don't write for the voice but music does play a big part. But then again so does cereal and coffee .

Head Cheese & Chicken Feet

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Janis Joplin once said she didn't "write" songs, she just made 'em up.

That's kinda the way I feel about my stuff.

More lyrics than anything else--but I like to tell a story, too, and hopefully they are entertaining.

and Vivaldi has inspired me many a time...
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Ed's got some of my favs in his list.

though I'd add Ella, Aretha, Etta James, Nina Simone, Billy Holiday, Tina Turner, Miles Davis, Robert Johnson, Clapton, Sting, Prince, and the Man in Black-Johnny Cash.

Vangellis sets a mood pdq for me too.

that's my method.

it's all a mood, the rest is extra.
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Well, I have been criticized for letting the music take over the poem at the expense of brevity.

And perhaps clarity.

I can live with that.

It's interesting that I and Ess read this question concerning the sound of the poem (assonance is the repetition of vowel sounds, consance of consonants, and dissonance is the clash/contrast of these sounds) while others have read it as being influenced by musical compositions).

Or is it all a variation on the same theme?
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quote:
It's interesting that I and Ess read this question concerning the sound of the poem (assonance is the repetition of vowel sounds, consance of consonants, and dissonance is the clash/contrast of these sounds) while others have read it as being influenced by musical compositions).


Jim asked what role music plays in our poetry. So people answered accordingly. Why is it interesting? And Ess will be happy no matter what, as long as something rhymes. LOL, just kiddin' ya Ess.

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rwood --  Given your list I'l bet Julie London, Morgana King, Blossom Dearie and Little Jimmy Scott would tickle you too.


Brad --  I find it interesting, too that it's running now, about 50/50 between people who think the question is about "music music" and the music of poetry expressed in the spoken word.  Could have been a badly formed question.

Best, Jim
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Itís a good question.

Personally the music of the poem is as important as every other device if not more important in some cases - but that could just be the type of poems I write.

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if Jim was talking about the music in the poems. Then I have to tell the true feeling. I hear no music from Sir Brad and Sir Grinch's poems. I hear only strong beats.
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Just because you canít hear it doesnít mean itís not there.

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My dear sir Grinch, both of your poems do not show strong personal feelings. I heard the heart beat but not the tune.
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You formed an opinion by reading only two - thatís not very scientific.

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Read some of yours. I'll finish the rest later. A very brief read. But I do hear Beethoven No.9.

Love ----
one+one-one
cry Lupine
East meets grace
Abated breath

Favorite so far----
Almost Forever
A shoulder  voice
High land Fling

Don't like--
Birthday....not the poem but how you wrote about a birth.  It shall be full of cheerful words.

I heard your music....most of them quite sad, I shall say. You indeed wrote beautiful poems  .
Thank you for those wonderful poems and those mind teaser poems.  
have a very nice day, Grinch!!!

[This message has been edited by TomMark (01-06-2008 08:02 PM).]

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Jim,

How is "music" in poetry to be distinquished from rhythm in poetry?  

Stephen
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Music (Muse-ic) is specially inspired by the Muse.

Rhythm may come from anything: a rocking chair, the sound of cutting wood, snoring, etc.
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Dear Stephanos,

         I think rhythm in poetry is part of the music.  As are vowel repetitions and variations played out within a single line and over a series of lines, and alliterative consonance played with and against the accents.  When a poem is read aloud, the whole texture of the poem can change, especially if you've only read it silently before, when it's read aloud.

     If the writing has been careful, a whole musical text in the piece comes alive that you wouldn't suspect otherwise.  See if you can find "Degrees of Gray in Phillipsburg" in the Selected Poems of Richard Hugo.  Read it silently and then aloud.  I've heard actual recordings of him reading it himself which may be available out there someplace on the net.  See if you can find somebody who's a real ham doing a reading of his or her poetry.  The whole discussion about music doesn't really make sense unless you're willing to actually allow a bunch of it to wash over you.   Then it's hard to do without it.  A poem without the sound play makes you feel you're being robbed.

     You don't learn to put it into poems intellectually.  You learn by allowing yourself to play with the sound and flow and sense of language.  If you have to learn by intellectual study, you'd drive yourself bonkers.  Shut up Bob.
Wide-mouth bass, BobK.    
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The Jews say it's math, music and G_d in an ascending order.

So how does poetry tie to music?

Socrates questioned the poets among others and found that although they seemed to possess a certain knowledge they still didn't know God.

Do the poets write in certain rythyms and tempos? Of course they do, at least in their own minds they do.

But written words do not contain notes and while the voice can be said to be an instrument all poems aren't musical although you could write a song lyric poem that was meant to be taken as such.

I think if you listen to music while your mind considers other thoughts certain rhyme patterns can emerge but then you couldn't exactly say you were being original or drawing from the source.

Usually I just sit still and listen to what I hear inside my own head.

Freedom of expression
expression of thought
freedom of love
that's what he taught

Freedom of speech
speaks out of love
love for the word
that comes from above...

If anybody wants to finish that thought feel free to do so.

As far as Assonance, Dissonance, Consonance go I have no idea what that means or why I would trouble myself to even find out as I'm just a simple man who writes what he hears.

From the Jews perspective math is a form of language as is music but it is described differently than thoughts conveyed with mere words and that the Great God above speaks in a language even more complex than the human mind has the capacity to understand but it's not like we don't do our best to at least try to understand what can be understood.

Sorry if I was rambling........

"May the things I know be limited only by my imagination"

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21 posted 01-13-2008 05:38 PM       View Profile for oceanvu2   Email oceanvu2   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for oceanvu2

Hi Joe Crow:  I think you're either being willfully ignorant or pulling our legs here.

"As far as Assonance, Dissonance, Consonance go I have no idea what that means or why I would trouble myself to even find out as I'm just a simple man who writes what he hears."

Silliness.  Look at your own words:

"Freedom of speech
speaks out of love
love for the word
that comes from above..."

Look at the internal assonance, ignoring the rhyme.  I'm hard pressed to think that you were being casual in your choice of words, or that this was a mere fortuitous event.

You've got this stuff down.  Why pretend otherwise?

Best, Jim  

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quote:
Usually I just sit still and listen to what I hear inside my own head.


Exactly.

So many poets talk to their internal feelings, and respond accordingly. A quiet voice may illuminate a thousand candles. One candle might illustrate a million words.

Write on.


" It matters not this distance now  " Excerpt, Yesterday's Love
~*~
KRJ
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23 posted 01-13-2008 09:46 PM       View Profile for oceanvu2   Email oceanvu2   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for oceanvu2

Hi Sunshine!  Agree almost.  But is poetry not a form to be spoken out loud after the head has done its thing?

Almost everything in English poetry was meant to be spoken, and I am hard pressed to find exceptions.  The notion that the words are meant to be spoken silently in the head, that they were meant to exist only on a page, puts poems in the realm of any other sort of scribbling.

I cannot buy that poetry exists exempt the spoken words.

But that's me.  Write on!   Jim
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Jim,

I was being serious when I said I had no idea what any of that meant.

Wouldn't you suppose that everything comes naturally and people just call it this and that after the fact?

                       Joe Crow

"May the things I know be limited only by my imagination"

 
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