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Why do people die?

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Kitherion
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No I'm not being stupid or naive, and yes I do know that the body reaches a sate of metabolism that doesn't allow it to replace cells rapidly... hence aging. But still, why do we die? And does the soul die with the body, or is it the body dying because the soul is dead?

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They get tired.
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Some feel that humans are already dead, by religious standards, and must be born again. The concept of the soul seems trapped and entwined by a body, the mind, and the heart: Infinite possibilities upon a very finite existence.

Science says we begin to die at birth, yet science canít explain why people are alive when they should be dead, (miracles) and natural causes have many factors besides age.

I donít want to be infinite, so I donít really consider why on death. Iím amazed by being alive. Each day is one more day I get to aggravate my loved ones and dream about that Mustang.

ďI like to go cool out with the family
Sippin', reminiscing on days when I had a Mustang.Ē (Fergie)

see, I havenít gotten to the reminiscing part yet, but Iíd like to know what that feels like. I might be 80, and Mustangs might morph into hover crafts by the time I get behind the...controls, but if Death doesnít get me, Iíll be there. Look out world.
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We don't die.  We just become very unlively.
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To make room for the next jerk to be born...
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If Adam and Eve are made for forever living (Adult stem cells are every where in the body to replace the died cells), then after the illegal snack, Words started the programmed death. Cell has programmed death. Our life is also programmed.  war, gun, crazy people shorter our lives  just like the computer is turned off by someone, with program running or not.
Soul...something still physically unknown to us will be here forever.
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quote:
We don't die.  We just become very unlively.


That is the definition of death, Ess.  The positive statement of the negative.  It doesn't change things.


We die because a life principle was lost along with our innocence and connectedness to our Creator.  We entered into a chosen (not only by our parental representatives in Adam and Eve, but by each individual as well) spiritual path of autonomy.  Death and pain is the reminder that something is amiss ... a reminder that we cannot construct the world as we wish and remain in well-being.  Only the wild optimism of Christianity makes tolerable its stark realism that the world as we know it is spiraling.

  

There is mercy in it, in that there is time to reflect upon our finitude.  Time to turn.  Time to willingly die (with God's help) to the principle which gave rise to death in the first place ... the will to be autonomous possessive and god-like, rather than possess a more certain reflective kind of beauty, and a dependent kind of ability.
Of course there are many secondary explanations of death, which are also true, such as the biological scientific explanation.  But it is still good to get a glimpse of the more foundational causes, and the prescriptions that have been granted along with them.      


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Okay, interesting... well, heres one then, since we weren't programmed to die (I knew that, I honestly did) then why did God make us die? And howcome everyone had to suffer for the illegal snack ?????

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Kith:
quote:
Okay, interesting... well, heres one then, since we weren't programmed to die (I knew that, I honestly did) then why did God make us die? And howcome everyone had to suffer for the illegal snack ?????


Because, to coin a phrase of Peter Kreft, there's a solidarity about humanity that we individualistic Westerners have a hard time grasping.  Yet Near-Eastern and Far-Eastern cultures have seen it and accepted it since ancient times.  


The tendency to sin is now a family likeness.  And since our individual wills are eagerly involved (I know mine has been), it's no use talking too demandingly about a lack of justice.  I'm not sure if I could have, or would have, done much better than my Ancient representatives.    


It's not an easy answer.  But the short answer is that redeemed humanity is/ will be more glorious than unfallen humanity.  And that without commending or eulogizing the fall, but rather the rescuer.  


Stephen
 
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