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What is truth?

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cokeiq
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50 posted 08-28-2007 01:38 PM       View Profile for cokeiq   Email cokeiq   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for cokeiq

Truth is,what is ... ... when we see a liar who commited an act of grave misdeed we know this is really bad. "Christians" or other religious people are not exempt from these as we all already know too well that there are many reasons why a person goes to Church, religious place of worship etc. Following these routines does not tell much for it does not show the character of the person doing them and remember, people can lie, like all the time!

Consider the 2 scenarios below:
When a love one is dying and is spared of a horrific reality, eg. the daughter is a drug addict and not some good kid -
This is quite different from a person lying to the Church about God and spiritual matters when he harbors a concubine, private jet plane and never believed in all the bible talk. It had only been a career ... ... and he realized that charisma and intellect were sufficient for him to play politics in religious matters.
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51 posted 08-29-2007 08:46 AM       View Profile for Kitherion   Email Kitherion   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kitherion

So Coke, you are implying that moral conciousness has nothing to do with truth? How then does one come to a definition of truth in it's entirety? Or rather, can you say that what you define as truth is truth? That means that the truth is subjective, as you cannopt have truth without existing in an intrapersonal world, as morals exist in order to sort out the conflict which exists in the defining of truth. No man is an island...
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52 posted 08-30-2007 12:59 PM       View Profile for cokeiq   Email cokeiq   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for cokeiq

Moral conciousness likens a branch from which the root of truth stems. Are we all like the blind men who went about feeling an elephant and one said it was rough and thick as he felt the skin, another said it was flappy and he held the ears etc.

Of course if a person held the ears and said it was inflexible he is lying or has deficiency in his ability to tune out the correct signals from fingertips to cerebral cortex. But those that said what they felt were speaking the truth!

Except that truth in it's whole is complex because like jigsaws to be connected, no one has all the pieces, does anyone?

And to make the game more confusing, people do have agendas and lie when it suits them
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53 posted 08-30-2007 06:05 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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“If it's truth you're looking for, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall"

Professor Henry Jones


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54 posted 09-04-2007 12:54 AM       View Profile for Kitherion   Email Kitherion   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kitherion

Since then, you are implying that intrinsic cognitive abilities are required for truth, how then would a mentally disabled child distinguish from a lie? I personally believe that truth is an abstract illogocal idea that stems from an external conciousness, thus allowing everyone to refer back to it in some way or another. And, to use your elephant example, the blind men still knew it was an elephant and although they considered it to be something different, it was still a sum of many parts.
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55 posted 09-09-2007 08:58 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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How would you distinguish “truth” from reality?

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John,

It's not the complete answer, but "ought" gives us a clue that there is a truth which is not merely descriptive (ie, "is").

Stephen  
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Reality may be distinguished as a manner of being.  

And truth as a manner of strength.


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In class the other day my teacher brought up a point on history. That the past and history are two different things. The past is what has happened and nothing can ever change it and nobody can ever go back to it. And history was the written record of has happened. Because it impossible to write without your perspective in the writtings, we can never know what has actually happened unless seeing from an omnicedent point of view, which happens mostly in books. After him saying this i though it tied in nicely with the old saying, there are three sides to every story, the first person's point of view, the second person's point of view, and what really happened. The truth is what really happened or happens. It ties in with the history because when someone recorded an event or something in time, it was from their perspective. It is not wrong what they saw but you do no get the whole truth so you would not get the truth at all. 1/2 or 1/3 is not the same a whole.
  I guess plain and simply the truth is what really happens. Of course if you take into consideration, that everyone has a perspective and uses it, then noone could really define truth- alone, it would be the sum of all the defintions rolled into one great heaping ball of truths.

"All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream."
~Edgar Allan Poe~

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