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Are You A Poet?

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Larry C
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25 posted 03-07-2007 09:33 PM       View Profile for Larry C   Email Larry C   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Larry C's Home Page   View IP for Larry C

Personally, I acknowledge to my friends that I like to write. But I don't ever recall identifying myself as a poet. Partly because I have no understanding of any of the technicallity of poetry and partly because by contrast I recognize good poetry when I see it. More challenging to me was the courage it took to attempt prose.

But I heard a college professor quoted on NPR radio suggesting that anyone who writes poetry could write prose and that gave me the boost I needed. However, given my weak training in my educational experience with english I am amazed to be writing at all. It doesn't matter to me if I'm considered a poet or not, that's not why I write. And the truth is a lot of the proclaimed professional poets writing is stuff I don't understand anyway.
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I am not a poet by trade. I havent studied any writing techniques. I experiment with different forms, poetry, prose, character sketches of the people I know, and the ones I dont. I write because I have to write, the pen and paper posess me for a moment and I never know what its going to say. Its just something ive done ever since I could put words on paper.

I write for the freedom and high of creation. It doesnt matter if its no good, its still a release of the things I cant really say.

"No one now dies of fatal truths, there are to many antidotes to them."- Nietzche

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27 posted 03-13-2007 08:53 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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What easier ďartĒ in the arts is there than poetry
to get away with almost anything
and still be considered a participant
worthy of attention?


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Essorant
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I think almost every art has a side equivelent to a "freeverse".
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29 posted 03-14-2007 08:31 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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Which means anyone
capable of line breaks
or attention deficit in sentences
can qualify


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30 posted 03-14-2007 08:34 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

haha
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Yall are Not right.
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It is easier to prove you wrong
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33 posted 03-16-2007 05:14 AM       View Profile for rwood   Email rwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for rwood

Please do so.
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quote:
What easier ďartĒ in the arts is there than poetry
to get away with almost anything
and still be considered a participant
worthy of attention?


Going with the mechanic/carpenter/captian thing:

Not all who sing are singers
Not all who dance are dancers
Not all who act are actors.

When it comes to the arts, there is a certain amount of skill that must be ecrued to ellict a title. I cannot call myself a poet. I have to earn that title.

Dane
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quote:
When it comes to the arts, there is a certain amount of skill that must be ecrued to ellict a title.

But isn't that the same question simply reworded? Who is to decide what that certain amount of skill is to be? Are you ready to join the poetry police?
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Anyone may judge.  Not everyone will agree.  But most people will be convinced once someone proves more than just a very momentary desire or practice in the art that he is an "artist" thereof.
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37 posted 03-21-2007 11:22 AM       View Profile for ChristianSpeaks   Email ChristianSpeaks   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for ChristianSpeaks

Ron-

Good point. I'm not quite ready to suit up. But - is anyone who puts pen to paper a writer? OR is anyone who takes those words and breaks thme in poetic-like places a poet?

Dane
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I agree with JuJu and I am a poet too!! Hey I can think of worse things!!!!

~~~kingsangel~~~

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Poetry is expression, and very spiritual, and noone is claiming (in this discussion) to have a Doctrine on the subject as far as I can tell. I don't mind calling myself a poet, I have heard of worse things to be called!!!

~~~kingsangel~~~

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quote:
I think almost every art has a side equivelent to a "freeverse".



Sounds like you're describing art as a box, or a coin, or a heavenly body that relies on a definitive and ruling force.

There is divine merit in being outside of the box, intangible, and completely remote from the artistic applications and ideals of another.

Cultures craft and create a history for us that proves there is dignity and integrity in; being found different, straying outside the lines, and turning something over and over until it works for them. Hopefully, people will continue to "spring eternal" with their genius.

Otherwise, Picasso wasn't a painter.

Jelly Roll Morton wasn't a pianist.

And the mightiest possessors of wisdom and philosophy sank into the ocean with Atlantis.


quote:
What easier ďartĒ in the arts is there than poetry
to get away with almost anything
and still be considered a participant
worthy of attention?


Well, let's see:

Politics.
Quilting.
Basket weaving.
Finger/painting.
Lovemaking.
Photography.
Sarcasm.
Fashion.
Marketing.
Cooking.
Accounting.
Sculpting.
Public Speaking.


just to name a few.

quote:
Which means anyone
capable of line breaks
or attention deficit in sentences
can qualify.


Qualify for (what?) President? or for acceptance by the masses as a poet?

I can say Iím Elvis reincarnated and demand royalties from all those paintings of me on velvet, but something tells me no one will buy that idea, unless Iím so unbelievably believable it pays off?
  


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41 posted 03-25-2007 11:44 PM       View Profile for Aurelian   Email Aurelian   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Aurelian

To be a poet is to be a fool - so? I'll be a fool. Everybody is anyway. Like it was said of Socrates - he was the wisest man on earth because he knew that he knew nothing. I'm not that wise yet by a country mile.
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42 posted 03-26-2007 12:24 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Reg,


I mean that the arts have strong traditions that were cultivated by the ages, but today, every art has a side dedicated to revolution and anarchy trying to "free" the art from the seasoned strings of traditions, structures, techniques, attributes, the very means that cultivated and strengthened, and made the arts most familiar to people to begin with and in strong an longlasting ways, for being maintained and cultivated in strong and longlasting ways as much as possible thro the ages.

In my opinion this side is far "overrated", and it often leads to reckless extremes that lose the name of respectful and graceful art.

  
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43 posted 03-26-2007 04:28 PM       View Profile for Aurelian   Email Aurelian   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Aurelian

Amen!
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44 posted 03-30-2007 05:12 PM       View Profile for oceanvu2   Email oceanvu2   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for oceanvu2

"in fact it's yet another definition
of a fool."

Well, there are fools and there are Holy Fools.  And somethings are wholly foolish.
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45 posted 04-20-2007 11:09 PM       View Profile for jwesley   Email jwesley   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for jwesley

Naw...I just live in a dream....

I Read The Words Of A Poet, Today

I read the words of a poet, today,
and saw the world the poetís way.
I saw the death of a poetís child,
husband, wife, I saw the way
a poet cried.
I saw the pain a poet feels
when love goes bad, goes away,
or just turns sad.
I saw the way a poet sees
the sunlit sky, feels the breeze,
the grass beneath bare feet,
cool water in a brook,
all at which the poet looks.
I saw the way a poet smiles,
the sparkle in the eye, felt
the tremble in the chest, the
tightness in the throat, the
love that swells the soul,
the touch of a loved ones hand.
I felt the ache of unfound words
straining to sing in the poets way.
I knew the joy of having written
a wonderful piece, of
loss of life, undying love,
children, friends, God;
of knowing Iíd done my best,
to hell with the rest, this was from me,
my heart, my soul, my words,
the essence of me and nothing less.
I read the words of a poet, today,
and saw the world a poets way;
and now I lay me down to sleep,
to dream the dreams,
that poets keep.

w. james beard, jr.
© November, 2000
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46 posted 04-21-2007 12:05 AM       View Profile for oceanvu2   Email oceanvu2   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for oceanvu2

"To be a poet
is in some way
to acknowledge defeat"

This is a quite startling little poem, and should make anyone look at what they are doing.

I don't know how being a poet acknowledges defeat, but it is a powerful enough thought to give pause.

I think I'm a poet because I've been writing poetry for about 50 years, but it has never occured to me to introduce myself to anyone as a "poet."  It's just something I do because I do.

Over the years, my poems have evolved from the truly dreadful to the passably amusing.
I don't know whether I'm capable, or interested, at this point, in writing in a different, though no less serious, form.

I don't feel the emotional connotations of defeat.  This doesn't seem to be a game you win or lose, just one you continue to play if you are moved to do so.

I don't mind being a poet, but I don't have it emblazoned on a T-Shirt either.

Jim
 
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