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Very Well, What is Poetry?

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Juju
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25 posted 03-26-2007 02:40 PM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

I agree with ess, but I believe there must be a voice and meaning behind poetry as well.  You know a central idea

-Juju

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Who thinks really deep thougts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

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26 posted 03-26-2007 03:19 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Very Well, Is narcissism over-compensation for deeply in-laid self-loathing?



By the way, your universe ceases to exist without YOU--and even should you have the misfortune for your words to live on, further misunderstood--the ego is presumed, and "I" is presumed by your readers, and I don't care (nor does anyone else) how many pages your black sharpie leaks through...
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27 posted 03-27-2007 01:17 AM       View Profile for minus   Email minus   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for minus

what is NOT poetry?

answer this, and ye shall find...
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28 posted 03-27-2007 01:31 AM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Chaos
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29 posted 03-27-2007 01:35 AM       View Profile for minus   Email minus   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for minus

is that the answer or the question?
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30 posted 03-27-2007 08:01 AM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

huh?

-Juju

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Who thinks really deep thougts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

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31 posted 03-27-2007 11:33 AM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

Yeah I self loath, but I am not a narscisist.  I don't have the time .

There is a difference between stating beliefs and talking about or obsessing about ones self.  I was talking about my belief on poetry.  Not talking about how wonderful my poetry is.  I think I don't like myself enough todo that. Besides I don't self loath as much as I use to. that was mean.

-Juju

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What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

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32 posted 03-27-2007 12:40 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

aw Juju, c'mere lovie.

That wasn't directed at you honey.

Even if I thought you were a Narcissist, I would find that completely understandable.

Because you are, indeed, lovely.
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33 posted 03-27-2007 04:25 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Minus, I was answering your question.  
Chaos is not poetry!

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34 posted 03-27-2007 05:44 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

Ess, clearly you've never read my "poetry". lol


Maybe that's why I don't consider my work poetry. So yeah, maybe you're right.

Head Cheese & Chicken Feet

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quote:
Moved mournful, calm and stern geometries—
Pale priests of space—that from their ancient hands
Loosed the old order and, at God's altars bowed,
Laid down their sacrifice of beauty. Then
A murmur rose among the radiant ones,
And they grew turbulent in Heaven, for lo,
The angel had gone down. His terrible wings,
That with bright comets bristled as with eyes,
Did shake the atmosphere like living wars.
Blown through his hair were strong bright meteors
Consuming as with flame. His thundering feet
Ploughed up the earth till fearfully she rocked
And groaned as chaos did of old. His eyes
Blazed like volcanoes from pale peaks of air
And prophesied destruction. His screaming voice
Perched like an eagle on white cliffs of the sky
And snatched earth's vision Heavenward. His brow
Passed judgment on the universe. His robes
With conflagration burned the gale. Oh then
There was a cry in Heaven, for all the host
Of bright magnificence, with thundering voice,
Shouted abroad in Heaven, "Great Babel Falls."
Then that bright sea of plunging radiance
Ebbed back to silence and eternal calm.


An except from "Nimrod." Part V. By Anna Hempstead Branch. 1875-1937.

Even chaos can be entirely poetic.

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36 posted 03-27-2007 07:25 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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“The poetry of Dada is the art of randomness; the writings are 'absurd.'  The writings were a barrage of random words melded together towards a humourous, yet shocking type of  approach towards the reader.  It was using coarse harsh words (including swear words) to conceive a random notion that makes the reader have to think while reading it  to get across the excessive ramblings. “

http://www.geocities.com/allon_art/dadapoetry.html


I once actually heard a recording of Marie Osmond
reciting a Dada poem.  I found It:

http://www.ubu.com/sound/ball.html


Marie Osmond performing Hugo Ball's "Karawane”

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So where does that leave us as far as the original
question; seems with anything as an answer.

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37 posted 03-27-2007 11:01 PM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

My definition:


poetry: Something of worth, communicated in verse.


Of course it defies technical definitions, as do many things we know instinctively are real.

And BTW, dada poetry (and art) is anti-art, intended to show the absurdity of art itself.  It cancels itself out by it's own motive.

Stephen.
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thus chaos,

beautiful non-concept concepts
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39 posted 03-28-2007 07:48 AM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

lol
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40 posted 03-28-2007 09:33 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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“poetry: Something of worth, communicated in verse.”


What do we know that matters that Aeschylus did not know?


Millar Wiliams


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41 posted 03-29-2007 02:39 PM       View Profile for minus   Email minus   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for minus

there seems to be a lot of confusion about what poetry and chaos truly are and are not...i think each concept is valid for each individual...though your academic bias will ultimately decide for you...i just love to see such zeal and pomp in writing...throwing out references and authors like poker chips...'i raise you'
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42 posted 03-29-2007 08:48 PM       View Profile for rwood   Email rwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for rwood

Thank you. I like it when someone pays attention to my pretty pomp.  

Please, do clarify for us the truth of what poetry and chaos really are and are not.

Personally, academia slaughters my favorite poets.

"Tiger, tiger,
(growl, claw-bearing beast!)
burning bright"
(like the sun at night!)

after listening to that type of ad-lib reading, (complete with growl sound and hand gestures) from my professors, I no longer trusted academia for my bias.

It had something to do with how I felt when  my Grandmother introduced me to Blake's poetry when I was 12 years old.  
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43 posted 03-29-2007 10:04 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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Poetry is calligraphy
Ultimately obsolete

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44 posted 03-29-2007 11:05 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Ed

No, I wasn't talking about anyone's work at this site.  There is no chaos I ever saw at Passions.


Reg

"Even chaos can be entirely poetic."

I like that example.
But you are displacing the adjective "poetic" here.  What you are finding poetic is the poetic description of chaos, because that indeed is poetic, and an example of poetry itself, in the example you gave, not chaos.  I think it is need to distinguish between a poetic description of chaos, and chaos itself, which is not even poetic, let alone poetry.    

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45 posted 03-29-2007 11:28 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

"poetry: Something of worth, communicated in verse."

That works for me too, Stephanos.  
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misspoken...supposed to relay something to mean your subjective interpretation will ultimately decide.  your experience will determine wether chaos is poetry etc...i do not pretend to know. everyone thinks something different...and yes, pomp.  most of you speak a completely different language than me, and it is exciting to eavesdrop on you.  thanks.
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47 posted 03-30-2007 06:42 AM       View Profile for rwood   Email rwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for rwood

Ess~

Yeah, I liked it too. Her imagery is powerful.

True, yes. Description. I agree. She channeled her sense of chaos, connected, and feared it enough to imagine and convey it through poetry.

and since many of us have never experienced chaos in that apocalyptic manner, thankfully, we can only write about it with the best of our ability. The degree of destruction and disorder varies, and when communicated it can be poetry, to me, as long as someone is still around to write about it.

minus~ How kind. You relay as well as anyone else, and with manners. That's a plus, dear minus. Welcome. I enjoy everyone's perspective and I learn something new each time I log in. Exciting? I'm sure I teeter on the edge of annoying Cheers.
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48 posted 03-30-2007 08:06 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

"The degree of destruction and disorder varies, and when communicated it can be poetry, to me, as long as someone is still around to write about it."


I will still urge you to acknowledge that the destruction and disorder themselves aren't the Poetry.  It is the artwork itself that is the poetry.  That is what poetry is, ART, not chaos or destruction.  

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How long do you think real poetry needs
to be sorted out from what is not;
can it occur to the general in its own time?

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