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Are women objects?

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Juju
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Recent news (The over all response to Anna Nichole Smith's death and Tyra Banks "weight gain") made me wonder if we (Women) really are just objects to the greater majority to men.

Follow this link to my video.  I am interested in every one's responses.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta70E8a4Yqw

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-"So you found a girl
Who thinks really deep thougts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

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I'd like to think that no one has answered you because the answer to that question is a personal decision.

Women ARE objectified, to some types of people.

So are men.

You decide how you are treated, lovie.

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Yes, I know.  This is completly opinion, and it would be hard to prove one way or another.  Therefore any explanation can be right.  I was just curious, that's all.

-Juju

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-"So you found a girl
Who thinks really deep thougts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

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3 posted 02-11-2007 11:12 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

I am sorry to say that in today's society, many areas do treat women like objects. All I can do is not follow society and treat women how they and every human being should be treated: with utmost respect. I had no male role model as a kid and I was raised by my mother and sisters; so my bond is closer to women than anybody else I think.

I really hope that one day, these things will change. Cheers on the thread Juju.    - Ed
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Well It has been what I had seen.  I am glad you put an effort in to treating women with respect and appreciating them as equals.

-Juju

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-"So you found a girl
Who thinks really deep thougts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

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Women are the most beautiful "God Given" gifts on this earth and should be worshipped, loved and adored beyond measures. I do not view women as objects. I too was raised by women.Though I had a dad in my life he was busy working for are family he showed me through his actions on how to treat a ladie
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Maybe this poem will give you insight that all men dont look at just outward beauty...lipstick, makeup, eyeliner etc. Yes men will notice you more with it, but only because it brings out the beauty thats already there.


The dew upon the roses bloom
Could ne’er compare to thee,
And like that flower's sweet perfume,
You overpowered me.
But as with each fresh petal’s death,
Its beauty soon must die.
But the memory of its living breath
The artist can’t deny.
Though the rose in sun must fade,
So would its scent in deepest shade.

And you the rose in life to me,
Must be allowed to grow,
Not tethered to the soul of me,
But to the love you long to know.
For though your beauty long will live,
Your soul must wing – displayed,
For ‘tis life in you that I must give,
Not stifle or degrade.
For though my soul is precious meant,
‘Tis shade to you, I cast and sent.

The fragrance and the bloom unite,
As one, to cast its spell.
In you... your soul and beauty fight.
This I know too well
And though I long to kiss the rose,
To inhale its heavens’ scent,
A deeper love is what I chose
For losing you I must prevent.
For though the roses beauty calls,
‘Tis the love of us, my heart befalls.

And your beauty seen in slow decay,
Will lessen not my love for you.
The words my heart and soul essay
Will speak of love... not sad adieu.
Your inner soul is what I crave,
Your fragrance, ‘til we part.
And when carried to my earthly grave,
‘Twill be your fragrance in my heart.
And although the rose I loved so well,
‘Twas your fragrance that my heart befell
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7 posted 02-12-2007 11:28 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

"Women are the most beautiful "God Given" gifts on this earth"

Why can't women just be people instead of "gifts"? A gift for who? Men? Yeah, that doesn't sound very good.
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Ed, recognizing someone as a gift from God only adds value, it doesn't diminish.  Tru's statement wasn't a sexist statement at all.  I'm sure he would say that both men and women are gifts to each other.  Shouldn't we acknowledge the difference between sexism and proper recognition of gender uniqueness?


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Stephanos exactly my setiments. Thanks for not taking my statements out of syntax
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Of course women are not objects.... (objects don't need so much money... just a little side joke) they are the key to society in general. NOt only are women prven to be calmer in men in  most situations (I say most because all would just be pushing the boundries...) and the fact that they maintain their maternal instincts well after they are needed.

Once a friend told me... "Ashes to ashes... dust to dust... without women the world will soon be rust."

Although a simnple rhyme, I find it really effective as it really epitomises what the world would be with just a bunch of testosterone
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11 posted 02-13-2007 11:23 AM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

I suppose... There was no insult intended, I was just wondering why it's always put like that.

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quote:
I suppose... There was no insult intended, I was just wondering why it's always put like that.

Let me ask you... when I tell my wife that she is "heaven sent" to me, am I belittling her?


The point is, saying that women are "God's gift" can be a positive statement actually in opposition to the "playtoy" mentality that this thread describes.  It's not the giving aspect that is questionable to me, but the depersonalization.  Calling a woman's person a "gift" is fine.  Saying that that gift is less than a person is not.  


And as much as chivalry is looked down upon, I think the age which doesn't value it is the one where women are objectified more than ever.  


just some thoughts.

Stephen.
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No no Steph, that's not how I meant it at all.

"when I tell my wife that she is "heaven sent" to me, am I belittling her?"

Come on let's not be silly, I'm not an idiot.

I don't agree with the statement: "All women are prefect and should be adored and loved and worshiped" All people are gifts from God to begin with. And can women do no wrong? Of course they can do wrong, because they are people and people can do wrong. I've met mean and cruel women and I've met mean and cruel men. You only call your wife "Heaven sent" because you've spent your life with her and you love her. Now would it be the same if you saw a woman on the street and said the same thing? No, because you don't know her so how could you possibly say something like that about a total stranger? That's all I meant. Sorry if I didn't explain myself.   Cheers    - Ed

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I think a better question would be, "are women objective?"

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Not the one I live.  

Just kidding!  (Y'all don't know my phone number)



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Adam's rib?
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I think mine just got knocked out with an elbow thrust.


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Quote from the Big Lebowski:

"He treats objects like women, man!"   - The Dude

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Do you really think
a woman who is considered beautiful,
then because, hates herself?

That a man should consider a woman beautiful
is not lust but a rising above his assumed common nature.

Men died for Helen, (or Elizabeth),
not because they wanted her
but because they loved her.


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It makes me wonder exactly the opposite -- if we (Men) really are just objects to the greater majority of women. That's about the only conclusion to be drawn from the way Ms. Smith lived her life, using men all the way, to get whatever she wanted.

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I think that anybody in the public eye such as a celebrity is turned into an object.

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You all have brought up allot of points.  Part of the truth is I am a really insecure person (John read enough of my poetry where he knew that). It is also true that both men and women market themselves to win love.  IT is undeniable that any female celeberty becomes an object.  

But It is still a sticky question everyone needs to ask themselves.  I think it is important to question our motives behind what we do and consider the consiquences.

I believe if you put an honest attempt to treat a person with respect and love (irregardless if they deserve it) I doubt it would be possable to treat them as objects

Now, beauty is something to cherish.  But even more beautiful is natural beauty, which is something that is not forced. I did not mean to imply that being atttracted to someone means that your treating them as objects.  

To treat something as an object, You basically don't care about anything that makes them alive.
  

-Juju

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Who thinks really deep thougts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

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not if they don't allow themselves to be?  Meaning, we are as we think ourselves to be...we don't need approval for or of our thoughts from others...we don't need to go along with society...as long as we remember the 10 commandments...so to speak...society is not always right, society has outcasted many people who have insight, perception, and are artistically more knowledgable...if you don't want to be something, you won't be...or visa versa...you see, how you perceive yourself, is how others view you....


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Was it wrong for Maud Gonne
to act and treat herself as a  work of art,
being that as such she inspired Yeats?

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