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25 posted 02-20-2007 02:24 PM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

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reality is subjective to each differrent person. What ever someone percieves as reality, cannot ve real at the same time as what another perceives.


But that doesn't rule out the fact that perceptions can still be wrong ... or right.  There is an objective element involved as well.


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26 posted 02-21-2007 06:36 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Ed

I already mentioned that one may not know about something in the exact same shape or in the exact same terms.  What I am saying though is that they have knowledge of the same thing but in a different shape and different terms.  Technology takes on a a more toyish shape of a "Playstation" among one culture, but it takes on a more practicle shape of a clay pot in another culture.  It is the same thing (technology), but in two different terms and shapes ("Playstation"  "clay pot").   If you know something about technology (and I believe everyone does to some extent) then you know something about a Playstation, for a Playstation is technology, even though you don't think and understand technology in terms of the specific shape known as "Playstation" if you never met it before.  Instead you think and understand it in terms of the shape(s) in your own culture, for example as a "clay pot".   My belief is that as long as you know something about anything, then you know something about every thing, for every different thing is just a variation of the very same thing.  Whatever you don't know about specifically you know about generally in something general or embodied in a different shape with something else.  In this way everyone knows something about everything, just not all the complete extent of shapes it takes and the complete extent of relationships between those shapes.  

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What you're describing, Essorant, are sometimes called stereotypes.

Not a good thing.
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28 posted 02-21-2007 09:32 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

Ess, I mentioned the whole "going in a circle" thing. I already made my point and I honestly don't intend on changing my mind. I'll let you know if I do though.

Cheers mate...

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... and I honestly don't intend on changing my mind.

I think there's a word for that, too, Ed.

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30 posted 02-21-2007 11:37 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Ron

I don't think stereotypes usually include acknowedging something beyond what is presently known.  Instead they usually abuse what little knowledge they have and treat it as the "all".  

If one doesn't know exactly what is in a box, he still knows something about what is in the box, that is he knows that it exists, and is something in the box, and something beyond what he can presently see by looking at the surface.  Thus he has knowledge about what is in the box before he even opens the box to see what specifically is there.  Surely that makes sense?


Ed

Sorry for making you dizzy    


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31 posted 02-22-2007 12:13 AM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

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If one doesn't know exactly what is in a box, he still knows something about what is in the box, that is he knows that it exists, and is something in the box, and something beyond what he can presently see by looking at the surface.  Thus he has knowledge about what is in the box before he even opens the box to see what specifically is there.  Surely that makes sense?

Sure it makes sense.  But there's still the possibility that one might not know about the box, or whether there is anything in it.  Or that the object (or knowledge) in question isn't anything as common as a box.  What you seem to be avoiding is the conclusion that people may be genuinely ignorant.  


But even if I argue complete ignorance is possible, I do agree with you Essorant, that God is the one being to whom Ed's description of "complete ignorance" does not apply.  The Bible tells us that he has given a general revelation to all, whereby psychology is inclined toward a knowledge of the necessity of Deity.  A knowledge that is often abused and distorted through sin and ignorance, but still present.  One can say "I know nothing of mycology".  One cannot as assuredly say "I know nothing of God".  


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32 posted 02-22-2007 09:54 AM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

"I think there's a word for that, too, Ed."

Sure there is but the fact is that I've been over the topic several times and he hasn't made a strong enough point to make me change my mind. I want people to change my mind in a discussion but that doesn't always happen.

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Now, Now children... lets not get nasty about things But still, reality does not exist to one person like it exists to another... and No, I am right (Teehee, please don't kill me... ). It is impossible for the mind to comprehend "what is" to another person. Your reality is infact a perception of your vision and how you interact with your environment...

I might just agree with you now Ed... please, don't have a seisure

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34 posted 02-27-2007 04:22 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

Hold on Kith, let my epileptic spell pass before I can respond to you. lol You know what, I like you. Not because you agree with me, but it sure does help (just kidding ya, lol)

I've determined that this place is a nut house and everyone's fighting to be the cashew.

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