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Huan Yi
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25 posted 12-22-2006 09:00 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

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Why lift the hand to bring the spoon to your mouth,
if God is on the hook for the human condition?

Face it, JC was wrong on that score.  Anyone who has watched
sparrows know the birds toil not to starve.
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John,

Jesus didn't fail to mention the obvious fact that sparrows "fall to the ground".  But that isn't the point.  His counsel was not for us to do nothing, but rather to seek to have faith in God as an antidote to strife and incessant worry.  Even a precursory comparison of sparrows and humans reveals a notable difference.  There's a reason that naturalists have tended to idealize nature, and yet doubt mankind.  Though the effects of the fall are seen upon animal-nature sure enough, its most prominent mark is stamped upon Cain don't you think?  Unless you want to show me a "Sparrow World War" in the annals of the little birdies?      

  

Besides that, Jesus wasn't being naive about human nature.  He chose to go to the cross with full resolve, to pay for the sins of his people.  That doesn't sound like someone who is romanticizing our condition at all.  He could speak of vultures as well as of sparrows, and serpents as well as doves.  I dunno, sounds like balance to me.
  

Stephen.
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I just wanted to clarify something.  In light of what I posted before, it might sound as if I held a low view of humanity and was elevating animal nature to equality with us.  But no, the kind of depravity I'm speaking of is itself proof of man's greatness.  Corrupt Kings are far worse than dishonest slaves.  If you'll excuse the cliche'; The taller they are, the harder they fall.  

I was just making the case that if the bibical account of humanity is true (as being at once inconceivably great and wretched), then Jesus' idealizing sparrows as a lower form of nature which exhibits some strength where we are most apt to fail, is understandable.  Also one must recognize the poetry in his words.  Being pedantic about it, would miss the point entirely.

Stephen.
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28 posted 12-26-2006 03:30 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

"Sparrow World War"


Ever watch 'em go after a crow?
Like Spitfires on a Heinkel.

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29 posted 12-27-2006 03:14 PM       View Profile for Interloper   Email Interloper   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Interloper

Who among us pretends to know God's mind?
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Who among us pretends that God is unable to make his mind known?


Stephen.
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Stephen,

Which so far as we're concerned
He hasn't bothered to do . . .


And please do not answer
with a story two thousand years old.

John
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John,


As far as we're concerned? Who is "we"?


I have a story of God's grace all my own, as do many others, that is anything but 2000 years old.  And yet, without that all-important story of Bethlehem and Calvary, none of us have any hope.


If one had once spied their lover, and yet in the present could only seem to grasp a letter, I'll bet that letter would be of great importance.


It's the mystery of love, John.  And since neither of us can impose our own perspective upon the other ... where else can we go in discussion?  I can at least point out that your mind seems to be preoccupied with the prospect of eternal love, else why keep bringing up God?    


If you're simply telling us that we're all going to die and face oblivion, and that religion is just a denial, then why?  Why would that truth be so important in a universe in which truth could only be a specter.  It seems obvious to me you're not really comfortable with that.  But the Biblical view is the one which makes sense of why you're not.  Why would fish know they're wet?  Why would dark-dwellers dream of light, or wish for eyes?  

  
Stephen.

[This message has been edited by Stephanos (12-28-2006 12:25 AM).]

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Stephen,

Anyone raised Roman Catholic canít escape such questions.


As to the prospect of oblivion, I no longer personally fear it, because
having lived a full life, Iíve accepted it; I only ask there be no long period
of pain and bad company before to make me afraid.   Yet I wish there was something or Someone for those Iíve known and still care for who werenít as fortunate as I to live
as well.  Itís that hope that motivates the search.


John

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34 posted 02-02-2007 04:06 AM       View Profile for Kitherion   Email Kitherion   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kitherion

Stephanos...

How can you imply that God allows/wants people to commit war? How can you imply such a misdirection? NOt only does tthe bible say that " they will beat their swords into plowing shears and their swords into pruning shears " but hey... sorry I don't know how to quote properly but still. I think that I have made my point. I agree though, with the idea that the Isrealites went to war becuase God said so, and that he is perfect in justice... but to justify it, you forget the fact that the Isrealites were surrounded by the "Heathen" nations of the time. So, to use that logic, as you were, and bring it for today are you then saying that George Bush was doing God's will when destroying the Iraqi soliders. Or when the American's destroyed much of Japan, many of whom were so called christians of the time?
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35 posted 02-04-2007 04:39 AM       View Profile for Angel4aKing   Email Angel4aKing   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Angel4aKing

there has always been wars amongst the Angels yet angels have no sin..Correct? Accounts in the bible tell of messages from angels or God warning of war...and of taking up arms and defenses etc...I am no expert however on the bible.

~~~kingsangel~~~

 
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