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Edward Grim
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0 posted 08-16-2006 11:12 PM       View Profile for Edward Grim   Email Edward Grim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Edward Grim's Home Page   View IP for Edward Grim

None of you can say that I didn't warn you.


Here it is:

My whole life I have lived in Florida, almost 18 years. Recently I have moved to South Carolina, I wasn't happy about it.

After a few months being here, I found myself in Home Depot buying tacks when I totally forgot where I was. Now I don't mean a case of dementia. I forgot that I was in SC. I felt like I was back in FL.

A week ago I was in Tennessee at a private film festival and I found myself in a coffee shop thinking: "This place feels exactly like Florida." So all this got me thinking...

Maybe everywhere I go from now until I die, will be Florida to me, in feeling and in mentality. And if I can mentally feel that one place is synonymous with all places, then that one place must not exist. Yes, you can probably say that this is borderline Existentialism but let's think about it. One thing cannot be all things while still retaining its oneness in self; it would be contradictory and a conundrum. So in my mind, perhaps Florida is more of a state of mind rather than an actual place, which frighteningly enough leads me to believe that I am not anywhere except in myself.

This ordeal reminds me of Jean-Paul Sartre's novel "La Nausée" in which a researcher becomes conscious of the fact that inanimate objects and situations remain absolutely indifferent to his existence.

This poses a problem for myself, for I would like to reside in a place other than my mind, for it is a dark place with exceptionally poor lighting and a damp atmosphere.

The mere statement that: "Every place is Florida" automatically suggests that "There is no place except Florida." So basically my philosophy that I am reluctant to think, express and even write is that, "There is no world, there is only Florida and it doesn’t exist outside my mind." This seems like a very selfish and self-centered theory.

I have many problems, and one of them being that I am obsessed with diagnosing my numerous problems.

If I were to state a diagnosis, I would say that this delusion is wrought by separation anxiety but who knows. I'm just rambling on.

Any thoughts?

[Insert quote of wisdom here]

Stephanos
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There is such a thing as thinking too much.  Trust me I've been there.


Why not just rest with the understanding that certain places / people have commonalities as well as differences?  And you're just noting those common similarities in order to comfort yourself, as being "away from home".  You can therefore appreciate these similarities, as well as grow to appreciate the differences.  Everyone needs a home-base from which to venture out.  Yes it is emotional, but the emotions are rooted in objective reality.  Ask an Eskimo if everywhere is Florida, and see what he says.  LOL.  


I think your sanity should lie in balancing the differences and similarities.  Focusing on the "likeness" without noting variances, might make you want to trash objectivity, but there's no real need to.  


Even if "Florida" were everywhere, it doesn't mean that it's only in your head.  Maybe there's a bit of "home" everywhere too.  Maybe common themes were intended in this universe.  I don't see why that thought would necessarily lead to a loss of objectivity, or isolation, or existential "nausea".


One trend that's always bugged me about bonafide philosophy, is the perrenial doubt of a world outside of perception.  I guess that's one reason why I think Christian Theology is more intuitive here ...  For while it doubts many things, it doesn't doubt all things.


Stephen.
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2 posted 08-17-2006 12:40 AM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

What you're experiencing is the great homogenization of our culture.  We all get the same television channels, the same franchises (McDonalds, Home Depot, Wal Mart, Starbucks, Office Depot, Waldenbooks, Sears, Pennys, Target, Fridays, Appleby's, Taco Bell, ...ad nauseum), have access to the same vehicles, same clothes, same furniture, same architecture -- and in SC -- you even have the same trees.

So, it's not so much that everywhere is Florida -- it's that everywhere in the USA is the USA -- from traffic laws to tattoo parlors -- it's all pretty much the same.

I was probably about your age though -- when I took a cross country air trip -- and realized -- without my 'stuff' -- I'm just me -- and I decided then -- that my stuff wasn't me -- and I better be something without my stuff.

Same thing goes for your geography -- with only subtle differences in climate -- everywhere (in the US) is pretty much the same -- so if you aren't happy where you are -- you better find a way to get happy with yourself.

Cause -- no matter where you go -- there you are.
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addendum

there remain certain places in America that have retained an otherworldliness to them,

New Orleans (pre storm -- and probably even moreso now)

Parts of San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco --

basically any place that has large concentrations of ethnic immigrant heritage -- but even that is melting into the pot.

Heck -- I can even go to Wal Mart and buy Crawfish tails up here...
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Everywhere is the same place: the universe.  You are just calling it "Florida" instead  
serenity blaze
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I have nothing to add here--in fact, I'd like tips.

I can't find another place like New Orleans, and it is breaking both my heart and my bank account...
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But, if Florida was a state of mind, it would have to be a collective state of mind-what about the state laws?

The word 'state' does not suggest oneness of self to me, it suggests oneness of collective action, or inaction.

Weirdly, I moved to Barcelona, and I have a hill outside my living room terrace that has exactly the same sillouette as the hill of my home town in Scotland-with a spikey bit on the top, and everything. Now, you might say I chose to live here because it reminds me of home, but I didn't see this apartment before I moved in, although I knew Barcelona well. Whether I had noticed the hill before, from another angle, I can't remember...it's not a tourist landmark, but it is a local landmark.

I don't think this conversation needs to just be about the effects of Globalisation, there's a philosophy here that suggests that we make our experiences up within our life dreams-but I think that's just selfish (and disrespectful to those with no choices)-there's got to be 'others', with seperate conciousnessess that have nothing to do with us-until we notice them-then, depending on our compatibility, will become a part of our life dreams.

Anyway, you seem to be talking about man-made things-a tack shop and coffee house reminding you-and the hill that reminds me is used like hills all over the world-with arials on it. I would say everywhere, humans exist similarly, usually, in similar places. If you were to have these thoughts in the rainforests of Brasil, then it might be stranger.

ps; Stephanos, I find it humourous that you insist on using words like 'nausea' beside existentialism.

[This message has been edited by kif kif (08-17-2006 03:50 AM).]

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7 posted 08-17-2006 03:47 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Nodding.

Or a rice field in Crowley.



(we edited simultaneously.

Y'think we're fated? )
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Yeah Serenity! There's nowt stranger than folk, yet great minds think alike? (har har)
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Stephanos
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kif kif:
quote:
Stephanos, I find it humourous that you insist on using words like 'nausea' beside existentialism.


Hey, I was only following Edward's (and Jean Paul's) lead:


"This ordeal reminds me of Jean-Paul Sartre's novel 'La Nausée'"


It really is an apt description of existential "angst" don't you agree?  Pain is too dramatic, too romantic, for the boredom and listlessness that Sartre describes.  


Anyway, as brilliant as Sartre was as an artist, I don't recommend his books ... since they offer no spiritual "phenergan" for the nausea he prescribes.  And such books are not only descriptive, but transmissive of the illness IMHO.


Stephen.    


I was curious about your screenname ... What exactly is a "kif" and why is it repeated?  Something said twice, I figure I need to know why it was said the first time.  


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I confess.

I am curious too.

"kif kif"?

Do tell....

it's off topic, but what the hell?
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Start with the basics Karen...

What are the attributes that make New Orleans New Orleans to you?

Which are the ones you're most interested in keeping?

Which ones would you like to leave behind?
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Don't know where that came from, but okay...

I am not even sure if there is enough of New Orleans left for me to pick the pieces of my past out of it.

The parts of New Orleans that define Karen?

oh my....first we need a soundtrack.

"Green Onions" by Booker T & The MG's.

That's how walking those bricks always made me feel...

A nod there, and a wave there, and a little dance escort across the street by a stray barker, and Karen was home.

And oh that was just the quarter...

Mid City?

Take the streetcar down Canal and you could see the brothels that were sooooooooo scandalous, gingerbread houses, and old-fashioned gartered stocking legs in the window...

I miss that alot.

*ahem*

(Remind me to tell you about Jo Ann.)

But I've some friends there now, they run the Fair Grinds, and smile...alright, they are hippies, but I think you'd like them.




We could stop for some Curry Chicken (I'd take the Shrimp in Peanut Sauce--we'd go halvsies) at this little spit in the hole Thai place I know--the waitresses are beautiful and all of them drag...

And then the Monteleone Piano Bar, Janice...she's gone now though.


She was the classic piano bar player, and could do anything, and oh yeah, the Monteleone Piano Bar did that tacky revolving bar thing, but somehow, the way they did it, it was okay...until y'stepped back too far. Lucky for me, there was The San Frisco 49'ers  there. *really nice night, btw*

And moan...a streetcar trip up to Tip's then.

Y'just took her on down the St. Charles and all the way down too...got off where the river turned, and stepped inside of Tips's and kissed the bald head of the bust of Professor Longhair. (If you don't do that, yer cursed.)

Like we weren't cursed from the beginning.

I can keep going Reb....just not away from here.

Tell me how to leave this place?

'Cause I don't know.

It's my home.
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kif-knowledge interchange format. Kif-a kind of (high quality) hashish. I was listening to Afrodizz "kif kif" at the time of name-calling. No reason.

To my humour-that's why it's funny...following Sartre's 'lead' on existentialism. Plus, you always say something detrimental about existentialism Stephen, even if it is witty...admit it! Some might say "healthy in uncertainty". Quite different from "sickness of angst."


Serenity-I love Booker T & The MG's! Also, The Dixie Cups; "Iko Iko". These parts of New Orleans will never die-for that's your culture, like parables, that will be passed on throughout generations, and throughout the World. *I can see where Mr.Grim is coming from, I think, but it's not just individual responsibility to keep these cultural aspects alive-the culture itself has a life that benefits from our personal protection, yet isn't dependent on it. Some things are bigger than the area that produces it-like literature, music, once it's out there, belongs to everyone. New Orleans will not be forgotten, even by those that have never been there, like me, because New Orleans is alive in culture. That means to me, that it's physical structure will be rebuilt, over and over, if only to maintain the visual symbol of this unending culture...*you can't leave, Serenity, because it is you!  
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kif?

Not even kidding--I was engaged for 28 years, and it was announced, nod, at The Treasure Chest Casino, on the Lakefront, as The Original Dixie Cups sang "Going To the Chapel".

gulp

we finally went through with it.

My son was best man, my daughter maid of honor and we have been married four years. Unless we're countin' wrong.

"My life is a fricking movie," typed Dr. Evil.



grins
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"One thing cannot be all things while still retaining its oneness in self"

The words of Ramana Maharshi come to mind...

I AM that which is living this body.  I AM that which is living your body.  I AM evertything outside of me and everything inside.  Simutaneously, I can be all of that and still be this one thing that I AM
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kif kif:
quote:
you always say something detrimental about existentialism Stephen, even if it is witty...admit it! Some might say "healthy in uncertainty". Quite different from "sickness of angst."



Kif, hasn't that been the evaluation of most of the existentialist philosophers?  I'm only reiterating.  Sartre is no sideshow, but probably has defined much of the entire movement.  Remember that Existentialism is a reaction against Enlightenment optimism and rationalism.  


Does that mean that I see no value in Existentialism?  Not at all.  But I must admit I prefer the Kirkegaardian flavor which still admits a source of hope for equilibrium in God, while still deflating "Enlightenment" assumptions.  I've always felt that the Existentialists have it half right ... in describing the problem, at least.  


I honestly feel that someone who claims to be a "positive" or "well adjusted" existentialist hasn't truly grappled with existentialism on it's own terms.


So if it sounds like I'm bashing.  I'm certainly not.


Stephen.      
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Move to the west coast, anywhere north of Los Angeles.

You won't ever think you're in Florida, and in fact you'll be disappointed to ever come back to this mosquito- and humidity-ridden cesspool.
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Are not all religious movements a reaction against something?

I understand existentialism as a personal wonder-depending on your character. Reader response-just like faith in an all seeing, all caring God.

That's the thing about existentialism on it's own terms-being subjective, there is always room for ajustment.

I wouldn't label myself as anything, though. I prefer even more room for manouver.
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quote:
And if I can mentally feel that one place is synonymous with all places, then that one place must not exist.


How does that follow?

Doesn't your whole premise depend on the assumption that there are two places and that they feel the same?

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or isn't it more likely that you can take the boy out of Florida but you can't take Florida out of the boy....

same goes for a girl and New Orleans...

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Try me.

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Florida is overrated.  Good for the occasional vake.  

Try one state north, where the "good ol boys" live, such as muh-self.  


Peaches rule, oranges drool (literally).


Stephen.
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"Florida is overrated."


The United States is overrated!

 
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