I apologize, didn’t mean to appear to ignore you...as you’ve bought some very interesting concepts to the table which I’d like to add to, and it took some time...and in case I forget, thank you…
I understand the premises and conditions that might lead one to this conclusion, but, speaking we wouldn't have 'this world' without religion and we certainly wouldn't be the humans that we are.
Yes, I agree Reb, as I believe I stated, there are good things that branch from religion, but there are also bad things, like fear of change, or fear of questioning authenticity, due to man’s inability to be perfect, like God, along with man’s incapable mind to see what’s important whic are the things he cannot see, taste or feel…? I think Religion has stagnated man’s ability to excel to a greater mental, spiritual and technological capacity…along with the cause of many divorces today…(as society deems it necessary to be married to be successful) is just one aspect of my assumptions… where does that idea come from? Why, from the old school of religion, doesn’t it?
Religion provided a common understanding of the universe, a common code of conduct, a code of remedy, and provided coherence for the development of tribes and nations in cooperation. The insertion of superstition and mythology is as natural and as reasonable as assuming that expecting when we plug our computers into the power outlet and the ethernet/cable modem/ dialup -- that we're going to be able to turn it on and hop onto the internet.
Wull darn it, I want to hop onto the supernatural internet… seriously, I hear ya.
It is our chief survival mechanism to understand and interpret the world around us -- we don't have saber teeth -- we don't have long necks to graze in trees-- we have brains. So, we attempt to understand and therefore reason and predict the approach of predators, the change of seasons, the causes of illness -- anything that might threaten us individually or as a species.
yes, your right, but think about this…why is it so much easier for man to think that causes are one reason, vs many reasons. People don’t do things for one reason, but many. Things don’t happen for one reason, but by many reasons.
We as a society are willing to accept so much dirt, gloom and doom, and illnesses, oh, illnesses, must be caused by the devil…wull I don’t believe so..illnesses are in my belief, caused by bacteria, location, bad water, bad food, taking medications, drugs, passed down genetically, etc.? Also Reb, are we to lazy a society to think for ourselves, to delve deeper into an event and ask questions? Why is it, when the debates come on TV, the public doesn’t ask both sides questions, they just accept what those politicians are saying to them? Why…Don’t answer that, that’s just an example.
Another Example is global warming real…yes, it’s possible & probable, but, to, there are other reasons, not just one? Weather is nature, and nature has patterns and cycles, just like humans…so, there are I think, several reasons & causes that work into creating this event…
In order to work together common paradigms of what the universe was and how things worked was a necessity.
Yes it was and still is, although math, and other theories also work into the event, doesn’t it? Along with other assumptions, concepts, values, and practices, perhaps my reality, isn’t yours…yanno? Especially intellectually…now, we figure in concepts of our Great Masters…etc? Yes?
There is an old saying though that goes like this -- if a nation has two religions it will always be at war with itself -- if a nation has one religion it will always be at war with it's neighbors -- if a nation has 20 religions it will live in peace.
The reason is simply that when a nation has 20 religions the common paradigm has become tolerance and acceptance -- one might even say that reverence for a Constitution might supplant the core codex that would constitute a religion in previous societies.
Wull, I’ll agree with ya there, now, lets root for 20 political parties, instead of two, whataya say?
Seriously, yes, I agree, but to me, the core codex for the Constitution, to me is to preserve peace and liberty for all men? And yes, I believe it in fact then was a core religion, as several of those who signed were Free Masons.
We see religion and science at odds with each other because of the competition for a worldview -- science is happy to leave matters of 'faith' and mythology to religion -- but to some religions 'faith' means that a particular worldview must be dogmatically maintained.
I beg to differ a little on this concept, as I believe people are starting to believe that Science and God are more related then anyone was ever before able to admit.
When two religions with differing worldviews collide -- watch out.
But, as Jim very rightly pointed out -- in the absence of religion we'd still fight over money and power. (which is ultimately a fight over sex/reproduction)
I’m sorry Reb, not grasping the part where you say which is ultimately a fight over sex/reproduction, can you please explain?