Stephen, Question…Did you read the TDC?
Also, I want to make it perfectly clear, I’m not trying to change any one else’s belief, simply share mine, and what works for me.
Is the Bible authentic? I believe in an all supreme being (God), who created our world, and everything in it…but I also believe in Scientific & Archaeological theories…which to me, associates, with the Bible…along with many other religious theories.
I do believe in Jesus, as he was referred to in many other religious accounts. I believe there is some truth to all stories of the Bible, but is not specifically the holy truth.
Scientists, are coming on board with the insight of a God created world which does parallel Biblical stories…(Stephen, please read that statement again) but, the Bible was written by men…and men are by nature, desire driven…to include, ego, power, & tempted by material wealth.
No human being likes to be wrong or admit they are wrong, even when proven wrong, that is why religion is needed, along with priests, including their laws and our criminal laws are needed, which can be corrupt...
Fear of being wrong, one of the most difficult acceptances in man’s behavior, which stagnates man’s progression, when challenged, causes anger, causing men to be devoid of good sense and/or judgment…which closes doors in the mind, resulting in an inability to ascend further to a cerebral thought pattern of any other concept but theirs…which is so sadly stagnating to the growth of humans and creates man’s separation from others, society cruelly banning people from societies, rage, murders and the dreaded wars, adding man’s need to look for the approval of others to be happy, not to mention, conditioning passed down by our parents, their parents and so forth. We are so afraid to defy their culture and find our own ways.
“Who would lose, Though, full of pain, this intellectual being, Those thoughts that wander through eternity? Milton.”
Man possesses this incredible yearning to believe in “something” since the beginning of his origin, and is constantly searching for the ultimate truth or an ultimate and divine power, creator of himself, something above himself. Without that man feels alone, and forlorned…pessimistic sense of inadequacy, despondent
I believe, God and Jesus, are something way beyond anything that we are able to comprehend, (we only utilize 1/3 of our brain) way beyond the Bible, due to man’s inabilities to perceive other dimensions, phenomenon’s, and believe me, there are things that go, beyond our comprehensions…why does it say, “Watch and Learn from the Beasts of the Field)? I mean, think about their perceptions, what they can comprehend and how they communicate? Not to mention, we all know their purpose is to propagate to continue the species.
So, that was the reason for the Bible…man’s interpretation of his perceptions of God’s creations and Jesus’ words, (which were metaphoric) and could only be interrupted in a limited ability back then, due to man’s intellectual comprehension…to explain what they saw. They were very primitive in thought patterns…perspectives, and perceptions. (And please note, I’m not totally dismissing the Bible’s words).
TDVC paints only the story that Jesus and Mary were married, and they had children.
It accepts the possibility of Jesus and Mary’s life together as man and wife.
Stands to reason, cultures then would have spat upon the idea of a woman being worshiped by a man of his status. I also believe that God has come to many of us, in spirit, not only the disciples…and revealed things to us…throughout the ages. We are a body of God/Christ
What I can’t comprehend is why, people are so afraid of the idea that Jesus not only took Mary as His Wife, but had children, and confided more in Mary then any other disciple?
He was a Man?
Stephanoes…”Anti-Christian” statements can put a fine line on a subject or a wide open subject with no lines…I don’t believe TDC is anti Christian.
Yes, the Bible is a great body of teachings, but has also been intergraded in so so many other different religions…each claiming “theirs is the absolute truth and word”, adding their own man made rules…and Stephen, I apologize, but if we don’t consider other solutions and theories, how can that not be closed minded off mind, unable to consider and think for themselves? I can’t trust totally in such a primitive concepts, and one reason is, due to woman’s persecution during time. I believe also, that was totally man’s ego to control.
Stephanoes, Culture eats strategy and can make man passive/aggressive.
My bosse’s church is a Roman/Catholic Culture…but they believed people should explore TDC and come to their own conclusion…decide for themselves…and that kind of thinking we need more of.
And by the way, there are some very interesting concepts in the Gnostics…
And now, without insult to you, I ask you this question…who are you to make a statement that Dan Brown, or me or anyone else is not Christian…you don’t know…how a person walks his life…this is exactly a perfect example of what is not Christian to me…
Allowance and tolerance, which is love and the understanding that each needs to walk their own path both spiritually and emotionally, and mentally. Perhaps you are further ahead then I am, but the fact of the matter is, to feel as you do is judging….isn’t it? This is an example of conditioning by your parents culture…and you actually fear if you explore other concepts, you’ll burn in hell?????
I think God wants (us) to explore, as long as you live your life, to the best of your ability and realize, how we are all so connected, meaning, if you say things to hurt others, your creating a grave possibility to change that person’s purpose, by hurting them so much, they may stray from their path. And if they do, that to, could be your own hell.
I appreciate, Stephanoes, your love and concern for me to know the truth…and believe you are not angry…just frustrated…remember, I was married to a man who was Mennonite, now reformed Baptist…so I know all of what your feeling….and you mean more then well, as you are devoted to your belief.
I don’t consider exploring other theories akin to Eve being deceived by the serpent.
I consider myself a Christian and I love Christ/God/people/ and you.
I don’t believe there is a cost to consider that Jesus was given the absolute gift of knowing love between a man and a woman, that gift that God gave Adam and Eve. And your welcome to quote the Bible to me, honestly, I understand your belief, just please love me for mine.
You see, Christian churches and beliefs are also very political…they own their own special interest groups and they also by votes in the name of stem cell research and abortion…and vote on those issues…for the man that promises not to diverge from those laws.
I like your motto a lot
I believe, kiddo (wink) witches were considered to be so, if they delved from religious beliefs, or did not go along with society…and yes, I know men were also considered warlocks, but, a woman who has an opinion, well, whoa.
So, there ya go, Stephen…
Let me ask you another question…
Lets pretend, for experimental purposes that you and I are dating…we love each other very deeply…ok?
We are considerably compatible & chemically charged you and I have both been searching for each other for years...we are morally compatible, and there is great trust for one another, not to mention, we both feel confident that we have much to learn from one another, we are good for each other, love the same music, both love to read, swim, are summer people and beach and water people, we both have the same hunger for knowledge, love to dance, golf, adventure…travel, people, a great awareness beyond our comprehension…and we both share compatible dislikes for things...I mean, we're almost twins....and are willing to explore this compatibility in a marriage…
Would you hold back, because I didn’t believe in God the same way you do, or go to your church, or would you try to control me, to bring me over to your side, instead of allowing me my beliefs, would you continue to go to your church without me there, without worry, in confidence, and more so, with support and understanding that I do need my own identity? Or would you not even consider the relationship at all because I believe in something other then you?
Note, I’m not stating your wrong and I’m right…I just know what religion and fundamentalism had done to my life in the past…some good, some bad…and I’m comfortable with God, my life, belief, and have never felt closer to God then I do now, its just in a different belief then yours, and I don’t believe I’ll go to Hell for that believe and hunger for knowledge, curiosity and open ness.
I also suggest this, don’t worry about me, don’t worry about Brown’s concept…look at how his book brought us together to discuss this and consider, allow, and be tolerant of each other, we will both walk away richer, and so will a lot of others who discussed this book.
Hugs to ya and thank you for this oportunity to express my feelings on the subjet....Stephenos
[This message has been edited by LeeJ (07-27-2006 11:15 AM).]