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iliana
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50 posted 02-09-2006 11:52 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Newsflash to Ron....

I just read this thread to my husband.  He commented:  "Ron is sounding more and more like he is my soulmate."  lol   (apparently, he agrees with your thought process on the matter)
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51 posted 02-10-2006 10:51 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

What do you think is the most important part of a soulmate-relationship?
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52 posted 02-10-2006 11:08 PM       View Profile for Ratleader   Email Ratleader   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ratleader's Home Page   View IP for Ratleader

For starters, truth, forebearance, and the willingness to grow.

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What do you think is the most important part of a soulmate-relationship?

To listen with honesty and to forgive with compassion.
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54 posted 02-10-2006 11:26 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

hmmmmm....I kind of think the "shock" of it awakens the consciousness to further insight into the "whole."
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55 posted 02-11-2006 08:23 AM       View Profile for littlewing   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for littlewing

*nodding with Martie*

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56 posted 02-11-2006 12:08 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Agreeing that those are all important aspects -- hard to pick just one thing really.

In my above post, when I used the word, "whole," what I'm referring to is the cosmos, the all. To put it in a smaller sense, maybe the fact that the relationship awakens a part in each person to the fact that there is something which they are a part of which is much bigger than themselves.  Not that this cannot happen without the soulmate, but it is almost a tangible thing in these type of relationships, I think.  It is like an awakening to a new awareness.  

Here's a thought -- maybe the soulmate is the one who is the impetus to the change of perception which is needed most in the other person (that is, if the person makes that choice), whether that be on a physical level, emotional level, or spiritual level -- what do you think?  
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57 posted 02-11-2006 12:52 PM       View Profile for nakdthoughts   Email nakdthoughts   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for nakdthoughts

"What works for me isn't a relationship that starts out perfect and always stays that way, but rather a relationship that starts out good and, every passing day, grows into something better. I just can't see that happening without a lot of work and at least a little pain."


I agree, Ron.

After rereading much of this thread..why not just call some of your definitions for soulmates.. friendships...close loving friendships for isn't that what a friend does, they are honest with you,  give you support when needed, (minus the sexual needs) help you see your mistakes and give you suggestions and hold your hand and let you cry on their shoulder when needed...that's what it sounds like to me.

Today's definition of soul mates to me, is exactly how icebox interpreted it..just read poems on other sites or or here, if you know someone for instance who had a "special" relationship with someone online and considers them a soul mate...and if it isn't your spouse or significant other..than what does that say for your "real life" partnership?

Another person can not complete you...You are already completed...and are "whole"  you may wish to have someone to love you or  be at your side to enjoy what choices are out there to share..but you are never half a person.

I am sure I am not making sense  to most...but you can't just change the definition of a word to suit you. Change or find another word to  be closer to the meaning you want.


After 35 years of marriage..almost all good..I wouldn't even say my husband was my soul mate, although even in these last years of separation he is everything to me now that most of you are saying a soul mate is. He is a  "good caring friend"
(lucky for me) who has fallen out of the kind of love we once shared...but is still there while we continue to grow... even if apart. If he had been my soulmate and then it ended as it will eventually, I would be half of who I was/am..and I actually am more now than I have ever been.

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58 posted 02-11-2006 01:34 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

"What works for me isn't a relationship that starts out perfect and always stays that way, but rather a relationship that starts out good and, every passing day, grows into something better. I just can't see that happening without a lot of work and at least a little pain."

Who thinks the relationship with soulmates is perfect, Maureen?  Did anyone say that?  Just curious.  
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59 posted 02-11-2006 03:44 PM       View Profile for nakdthoughts   Email nakdthoughts   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for nakdthoughts

I quoted Ron..sorry I didn't make that clear as I said underneath that I agreed with him on his  statement...

ask Ron
besides nothing is "perfect" in life, even if we say so...it's something we strive for or at least hope to attain in happiness or accomplishment.
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60 posted 02-11-2006 03:50 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

thx M-lady....now I remember
nakdthoughts
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61 posted 02-11-2006 03:52 PM       View Profile for nakdthoughts   Email nakdthoughts   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for nakdthoughts

when did we first  start using  "commonly" the words soul mate...  just curious.

I hadn't heard it until I began reading and posting on the internet...and never heard it in the outside world even of friendships or  marriage...

I don't mean each individual word..but the combination of
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62 posted 02-11-2006 04:10 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Maureen, I am not sure where it originated.  In the Jewish faith they use a word, b'shert, which means something like 'meant to be.'  I think the modern, new age, if you like, definition of soulmate comes from Edgar Cayce's 'receivings" -- not really sure.  And, I'm certainly NOT an expert on this!  I find his renderings on this topic really interesting:  http://www.edgarcayce.org/about_edgarcayce/soulmate/soulmate.asp   BTW, Cayce was a Christian, a very devout one.  (He died around 1945 I think.)  The concept has really been around for many, many years.  I read several books in the 60s.  

Also, suspect that the subject may be addressed in certain Hindu practices of which I know almost nothing -- maybe someone else can address this topic and you'll find out more.  
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63 posted 02-11-2006 10:34 PM       View Profile for littlewing   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for littlewing

Jo, you couldn't have said this better:

there is something which they are a part of which is much bigger than themselves

Thats it . . .

and nothing IS perfect - that would be a fairytale . . .

Maureen, I do have to disagree here, I know what you mean by it but I have many times felt half a person, even if I were whole, I never saw it for myself, another always helped ME to see myself and THAT is what this is all about but this was your quote:

..but you are never half a person.

I will never be whole until I cross over and even then I have a lot of answering to do . . .

If I were whole, I would stop learning, growing.
I think it is pretentious to claim oneself to be whole. (happy, well-adjusted, self-assured, confident, independent,  YES)

Its all perception . . . we all have our own perceptions.


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64 posted 02-12-2006 12:58 PM       View Profile for nakdthoughts   Email nakdthoughts   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for nakdthoughts

I guess we all have our own definitions of "whole", too. For I believe in growth etc..but I believe  we can  live as one being and my definition meant "not needing that other half", which I thought everyone is defining as a mate, another human. Of course we are always growing and learning and sometimes even unlearning and regressing...but soul mate meant another person..that is what I meant by  half/whole.

besides..feeling..is not the same as being...we all feel at times less than what we wish to feel..that does not make us half of ourselves...

that's the only way I can explain my position which is only going to be my own as yours is your own.  
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65 posted 02-12-2006 06:34 PM       View Profile for littlewing   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for littlewing

ahh, I completely agree with you Maureen,
on not needing another person to complete you, to survive.  

and you just taught me something right there by your last quote on feeling and being.

Thank you.
 
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