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Juju
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0 posted 01-24-2006 01:33 AM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju


What is better?  To be told the answere and get the problem correct, or to figure it out your self and get it wrong.  

What is better?  To look for reasons why something is correct or to risk the chance of being wrong by looking at the opposinf and agreeing views?

what is better? IS it our responcebility as humans to think for our selves or just to have an answere.


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1 posted 01-24-2006 03:25 AM       View Profile for Ringo   Email Ringo   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ringo

Only looking at things from one angle leads to absolute stagnation.
The Wright Brothers, Thomas Edison, Steve Jons, Bill Gates, Barry Gordy, John Reznik, Jimmy Page, the American Founding Fathers, Nicoli Tesla, Les Paul... these are ALL people who decided that maybe the "right" answers weren't the right answers, and went out on that very flimsy limb. Once they got there, they discovered that the branch was indeed just as strong or stronger than the tree they climbed and the world changed because of it.


To be merciful to the cruel is to be cruel to the merciful.
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Christopher
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2 posted 01-24-2006 09:06 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

You've touched on something many think is one of the most dangerous things about our society and the societies that follow - the ability to attain answers without learning them yourselves and therby owning a part of that process which, one presumes would posit a responsibility in the use thereof.

My opinion is that it is better to get it "wrong" but to have tried, than to receive the "correct" answer without working for it.

Use your brain. It's there for something more than to weigh the rest of your body down.
Juju
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3 posted 01-24-2006 09:59 AM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

It is a scary little thought isn't it?

Juju - 1.) a magic charm or fetish 2.)Magic 3.)A taboo connected woth the use of magic

The dictionary never lies.... I am magical (;

Ron
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4 posted 01-24-2006 01:03 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

quote:
What is better?  To be told the answere and get the problem correct, or to figure it out your self and get it wrong.

You're forgetting the third alternative -- figure it out for yourself and get it right.

The preferred alternative, I think, is always going to depend on what problem you're trying to solve. If someone hadn't been willing to reveal the multiplication tables to me, I have to guess third grade would have been a lousy place to experience puberty. Even today, if I don't know how to spell a word I usually look it up rather than try to figure it out for myself. If my doctor gives me the answer to a problem, I don't feel particularly cheated or run out and insist on rediscovering penicillin. There are a vast array of problems, I think, that are best solved by the experience and expertise of others.

It's definitely good to be able to think for yourself. Part of that, though, is figuring out when to trust others. While teaching should be more than just giving out answers, giving out answers is still a large part of teaching, and we'd all still be discovering fire and typing on stone keyboards if answers couldn't or shouldn't be passed along to others.


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5 posted 01-24-2006 01:47 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Ron - do you trust your doctor completely whe she gives you an answer? Do you take her at her word, without question, or do you work your brain in an attempt to understand as much as you can without having her history of education and experience?

It's the same thing. I can ask you what 2+2 is and receive a direct answer, but should I accept it at that, or attempt to verify your response? Better yet, remember that math question you helped me with in Geek Stuff a while back? I trust your intelligence Ron and I believed your answer. But I didn't take it for granted, I had to be able to figure out how you arrived at that answer. Same thing with all the programming you've helped me with (I better shut up about all the help you've given me or you may start expecting a paycheck soon for tutoring!) .

My point is that being given a direct answer shouldn't be completely accepted without either duplication for verification or some attempt at logical understanding.

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6 posted 01-24-2006 01:56 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi


Like it or not you have to rely on others
for much of the way and how well your
life is lived.  You don’t the time to ask
all the questions much less find all the right answers.
Every day you make leaps of faith that
whoever it was built your car, put the food
in the package, etc. knew what they were doing,
(and usually they do, otherwise you couldn’t
go outside for all the things falling out
of the sky).  It’s when it comes to human
relations things get sticky.  Go through history
and you’ll find all sorts of arrangements
and their staunch defenders.  You’ll pretty
much have to make your own choices,
(even to abjectly follow), because
here it’s allowed you.
It’s the burden of freedom.



Christopher
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7 posted 01-24-2006 02:53 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

That's an extended tangent, John. I never suggested one could live their life without trust. I trust a lot of people - with my life - every day: my fellow highway drivers. I trust in them not to crash into me (and it usually works too). The other examples you listed are good ones too.

Not that I don't enjoy tangents, mind you, but I think your specific examples don't necessarily apply in the way you presented them?
littlewing
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8 posted 01-25-2006 11:53 AM       View Profile for littlewing   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for littlewing

Definitely taking the rough road and making mistakes and figuring things out for yourself.

It helps when you have someone there to guide you, although that isnt always the case.

In my own experience, no matter how painful, I am grateful for making (not all but most) mistakes and learned from them (learned is the key here, many do not ever learn from their mistakes)

We are here to learn.  To grow.  To experience.  Some of us are further along than others.  It is in that learning, that exploration of self, soul and faith where we find our answers.  

Even if someone attempts to GIVE you the answers, you always end up finding them out for yourself anyhow.

Is the way it needs to be.

Search for self and hopefully, within that, peace.

Essorant
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9 posted 01-25-2006 12:49 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

One may not care to figure it out or have the answer.  And why should he if it has excessive prices, complexities and dangers, as makes his life like a nightmare?  Why should he care and vex his life about figuring out something complicated, when he can figure out something simple and natural to him such as taking care of his farm, having feasts with his family and friends, listening to music, reading a book he read a hundred times already, believing in the same thing he believed since he was a youngster?  Just because the rest of the world makes itself a riddle, doesn't mean he must too.
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10 posted 03-19-2006 11:31 PM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

Yes I agree with essorant.  But to a certain extant  some matters don't matter.  I guess I shouldn't worry about things I can't control and not be afraid of the incorrect answere.  I shouldn't be afraid of mistakes and i shouldn't  be afraid of leaning by them because every one makes mistakes.  I just need to learn from them.

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Knubian
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11 posted 03-26-2006 09:06 PM       View Profile for Knubian   Email Knubian   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Knubian's Home Page   View IP for Knubian

1.  To figure it out for yourself and get it wrong.

Life was meant to be tried and tested until we obtain security in all our questions of life, unfortunately, it is a lifetime quest that take us on journeys of hardship and pain so that we know and understand the why’s and what-for’s of love, compassion, fear, doubt, debate, spirituality, knowledge, promise, etc...


2.  Both are equally important

What do you do when a child ask you why they should not play with matches or around a stove?  You tell them because they will get burned… nothing else.  An inquisitive child is just like inquisitive adults, and unfortunately they are going to have to get burned to learn they lesson; therefore they have their opposing and agreeing views. Why they should not play with matches.


3. How can you have an answer to any question without the process of thinking for yourself?

Even in our dreams we are thinking and processing information of daily, monthly and yearly events of people, places, things and times.  The mind is a very strong weapon or tool, depending on which we choose to use it for. Whenever we have an question posed to us, we are always searching for the answer… even subconsciously.  

Regards,
Knubian

 
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