Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada
"A hallway still has to fit the pattern of a hallway. "
But it doesn't take very much to do that.
Buildings of all strengths, shapes and sizes may have hallways. A house doesn't need to be specialized more than ordinary to have a hallway. Even cavemen had hallways in caves. A house made of mud and straw can have a hallway. Make your igloo well enough, and it may have a hallway too.
If there are not infinite ways, there are at least more ways than any man may count that people may differently fullfill a same general "pattern".
"You can't stretch the particular definition of science into something general like "belief", just because that's how you want it. That's quite arbitrary of you isn't it? That would be like me saying Blue is Red. It wouldn't get me very far, practically speaking."
I'm not stretching it to a new meaning, Stephanos, but preserving the original and etymological one. Science comes from Latin scientia "knowledge" In the Latin Vulgate we find lignum scientiae boni and mali "Tree of the science of good and evil." There is nothing in its roots that bind it only to meaning this much or that much knowledge, this kind or that kind, or in this way or that way. Science is rightly as wide as our native english word knowledge. When people institutionalize a narrower meaning than the original, that is fair enough, but I don't agree when they now say it may only be that narrow, and now try to exclude anything it formerly was or, was and still is differently elsewheres.
"Do you believe that there any true beliefs which really conradict science?"
A belief corresponds to the science itself is based on. If it contradicts other science, that is only because the person doesn't know about it, or if he does know about it, doesn't believe in it. If I know about something that doesn't mean I must believe in it. And if I have no knowledge about it there's no knowledge in which any belief may spring at all.
"There are however unscientific beliefs too, which are false. One of them is the ancient belief that all things are composed of certain physical elements like water, or fire. This is not less accurate, as you say, but inaccurate"
The reason you believe it is false is because you look at it too narrowly Stephanos. Fire, water, earth and air don't just mean fire, water, earth and air, but they also represent the four states of being an energy, or liquid, a solid or a gas, and anything in those states which are all essential to our world. For example fire represents fire, but also represent anything like fire such as light, energy, electricity etc. Water represents water but may represent any liquid or anything like water. Earth represents earth but may represent any solid or anything like earth. Air represents air but may represent anything gas or anything like a gas. Just because it is not accurate according to the modern definition of "element" doesn't remove its accuracy regarding the qualties and states of being in nature.
"So I think you need to also recognize the "unscientific" ... and the existence of false knowledge. But that doesn't mean you have to be an empiricist, and believe that all true knowledge comes from direct observation."
How may knowledge be "true" or "false"?
[This message has been edited by Essorant (01-24-2006 12:07 AM).]