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Essorant
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I don't understand why it was necessary to lock JCP's thread just because it was getting a bit out of hand. Unless the original author requested it to be locked.

Can't the moderator moderate the discussion, and delete anything that is inappropriate to avoid cutting off communication/posting altogether in a discussion? Now we are shut out of a thread that was bringing much activity in this forum after a long while of very little activity. To me the lock seems to discourage activity and avoids dealing with the problem thro communication, instead of steering and encouraging the discussion to a better direction.

I'm just wondering what others that post in Philosophy think; and if there may be a better approach to such situations?


(Sorry for posting this inappropriatly in Brad's thread earlier. I hope it is alright to discuss it on its own though.)

Brad
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1 posted 12-30-2005 05:29 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Not at all. Though I personally didn't close the thread, it makes sense to me. Any thread that goes over fifty or so posts (probably much fewer than that) inevitably leads to sidebars and repetitions.

From that point, I think you should start a new thread based on what you got out of that discussion.

It's your turn.

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Brad,

Certainly not length, or even repetitiveness alone should warrant the locking of a thread.  I think it was another reason.

Anyone know what Ron's reference to 12/13/2001 is about?  

Stephen.
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But why dwell on it?

Take the good parts and expand and explore.

Extirpate the bad parts.

(Sorry, just wanted to use that word.)



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4 posted 12-30-2005 08:55 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

a certain person's PIP inception date Stephen
JesusChristPose
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So, who is it?

Seriously, I wouldn't mind if Ron told me what I did "wrong" this time. I was only being open and honest, which may be considered to be brutal at times, although I didn't think so, but at least it was honest and not being hypocritical, and not written to be hurtful.

It was my thread and I was only keeping it on the path of the subject matter, which I thought I did... rather well.

I tell you all something...

The ability to think critically + an overabundance of empathy (genetics) = a bad thing.

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quote:
I'm just wondering what others that post in Philosophy think; and if there may be a better approach to such situations?


I think that it would be better to deal with whoever is causing the problem, rather than to end the thread.  A thread at 70 entries is a stripling, and always has the potential for springing to life in a new direction.  So why should every one else be locked out for what one or two people do?  I hope it's alright for me to talk openly about this.  I've seen Ron approach it that way before, and the results were always more satisfactory for everyone.  But I know sometimes it just "get's old" to an administrator, so maybe locking the thread involves the least hassle.  Anyway those are just my thoughts.  We still like Ron, and respect his right to run it as he sees fit.    


But, as Brad said, there's nothing preventing a new thread.


Stephen.
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Indeed,

It usually takes one person to "throw the first volley," which can result, especially when that volley is intended for one's own "arch enemy," in a retalliaton to that first volley.

The simple solution is to use empathy and avoide the "first volley."

"If this grand panaorama before me is what you call God... then God is not dead."

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quote:
The ability to think critically + an overabundance of empathy (genetics) = a bad thing.


The ability to think critically with too little empathy is also a bad thing.

Believe me, I know.

And so, where is the line? I doubt if it can ever be formulated and so we make do with judgement calls.

This, however, is not a bad thing.
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That makes sense to me Brad.

I don't know... I don't understand why wanting a person to be honest about his or her views is a bad thing, especially when the want has nothing to do with attempting to hurt any person or anything.

I was always taught that being honest is a good thing... maybe I took that teaching too far.

I still don't see any reason to close the thread, and if it had to do with the exchange between myself and Stephanos, I even still don't get it. It was in-line with the topic matter. And asking for a person to be honest about how they feel or what they believe in, imo, should never be cause for a thread closure... unless, of course, it was sexually, violently, etc., in nature.

"If this grand panaorama before me is what you call God... then God is not dead."

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quote:

I don't know... I don't understand why wanting a person to be honest about his or her views is a bad thing, especially when the want has nothing to do with attempting to hurt any person or anything.




But what if it does?  It doesn't benefit me to say what I think just so that my opinion is known.  If it will potentially benefit someone THEN it is incumbent to say what I know.  But even then it may be a hard dose for someone.  A spoonfull of sugar helps the medicine go down.

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"But what if it does?  It doesn't benefit me to say what I think just so that my opinion is known."

~ That wasn't what happened in that locked thread. I didn't ask questions in order to render my opinion. It is just that I have seen what was going on in that thread once too often. If a person can't be honest about what they believe in, especially when it deals with religious beliefs while debating others of a different faith, well then I don't get it. I was taught that honesty is a good thing.

"If it will potentially benefit someone THEN it is incumbent to say what I know."

~ In that case, it had a possibility of benefitting any person reading the thread.

"If this grand panaorama before me is what you call God... then God is not dead."

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You can tell a woman that it isn't the dress that makes her look fat and be telling the truth.

Is that going to benefit anyone?
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*chuckle*

That's almost as annoying as the old spiritual saying, "The moment you think you have achieved enlightenment, you can be sure that you have not."

*grins*

But for a while there, you really did seem less angry.

Happy New Year.

I'm gonna go change my dress. (shrug, at least I can find something that drapes artfully, yes?)

What the hell--I don't haveta look at me!
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"But for a while there, you really did seem less angry"

~ Seriously, what did I do to appear angry... again!?

"If this grand panaorama before me is what you call God... then God is not dead."

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"You can tell a woman that it isn't the dress that makes her look fat and be telling the truth. Is that going to benefit anyone?"

~ Explain your analogy to what I said in the locked thread? I don't see any corelation.

"If this grand panaorama before me is what you call God... then God is not dead."

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Blazey... you look Phat in that dress... !  

Opeth.. it becomes a matter of objective.  What is it that you want to accomplish?  What good does it do to tell the 'truth' if nobody cares?  If you approach persuasion with the paradigm of an 'arch enemy' you've already lost.

If someone is talking over thier head they stop listening(reading) if we call them stupid.  If we think someone is prevaricating and we stop the conversation to call them a liar the objective is lost and the subject is changed.

We aren't Judge Judy.

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Honesty doesn't justify bad manners.
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My motto:

Be an absolutist philosophically
and a relativist relationally
not the other way around.




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19 posted 01-01-2006 09:03 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

I tend to follow the advice of my father;

'If one man calls you an ass he's probably just looking in the mirror.  If five men call you an ass head to the saddle store.'
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"I tend to follow the advice of my father;

'If one man calls you an ass he's probably just looking in the mirror.  If five men call you an ass head to the saddle store.'"


~ So, why did you post this reply? Are you attempting to provoke somebody into an argument or just trying to call someone an ass? Seriously, if I were a moderator, you would be warned about what you just wrote, however, if one's opinion is of the minority of the participants, I guess that doesn't matter on this site.

You feel better now? Shame on you... and happy New Year to you too.




"If this grand panaorama before me is what you call God... then God is not dead."
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Why did I post that reply?  To pass along some great advice from a great man.  It's not like butter doesn't melt in my mouth either Opeth.  But, when I am being an ass I want someone to reign me in before I go charging over a cliff.

'Gravity is a harsh mistress' -- The Tic
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Then stop being an ass, if you must.

"If this grand panaorama before me is what you call God... then God is not dead."

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  well I'm not off to the store just yet.  

enjoy the fishing though

(I'll be pleased to let you have the final word)
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Who is this Opeth everyone keeps referring to?  

The thread was locked because there wasn't much philosophizing going on.  
 
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