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Huan Yi
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0 posted 09-18-2005 11:34 AM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi


What is to be said
for a poem, or collection of poems,
in which the most common word used
is I?
Stephanos
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1 posted 09-18-2005 03:05 PM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

I don't think you're providing enough information about the poem(s), for anyone to make a meaningful response to your question.


what poems, and what else is there besides the fact that "I" is used alot?  What type of poems?  What time period?  What was the purpose of the writing?  etc ... etc ...  

Stephen.
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2 posted 09-18-2005 09:30 PM       View Profile for Capricious   Email Capricious   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Capricious

Since you weren't really clear, I'm going to assume you mean poems written in which the poet is the speaker?

A number of my favorite classical poets wrote a good deal in first person: Poe, Dickinson, Frost ... even Yeats took an occasional foray into this perspective, although much of his poetry is third-person narrative.

If poetry is an exploration of the human condition, don't you think some of the most verifiable accounts would be from one's own point of view?

At any rate, it's going to be hard to pin any label (bad, good, or otherwise) on someone's work based on the use of a single word.  If anything, 'I' would be more forgivable rather than less since it's a fairly unique pronoun.  What synonyms does it have?  How could one rephrase 'I' without sounding contrived, either immediately or upon repetition?
Michael
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3 posted 09-18-2005 10:08 PM       View Profile for Michael   Email Michael   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Michael

“I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.”

Alfred Joyce Kilmer, from “Trees”

“Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;”

-Robert Frost, from “The Road Not Taken”

“From childhood’s hour I have not been
As others were—I have not seen
As others saw—I could not bring
My passions from a common spring—“

Edgar Allan Poe, from “Alone”


I am not sure what you are looking for here But I for one am particular to the word I in a poem.  I want to know what the author is thinking, experiencing, etc. within the poem wherever possible.  

When I write poetry it is because I have been inspired to do so.  While I could take the pains to omit the word I in the writing of one, I doubt I seriously would—I don’t see the point.  If I wanted to read something bland and impersonal I would read the newspaper.

Don’t get me wrong.  I can and do appreciate poetry written from other vantage points but I find myself moved emotionally more often by poetry from the first person vantage point.

“I” count in this response = 15  
Huan Yi
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4 posted 09-19-2005 11:30 AM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi


'As to the poetical Character itself.... it is not itself - it has no self - it is every thing and nothing - It has no character - it enjoys light and shade; it lives in gusto, be it foul or fair, high or low, rich or poor, mean or elevated - ...A Poet is the most unpoetical of any thing in existence; because he has no Identity - he is continually in for - and filling some other Body - The Sun, The Moon, The Sea and Men and Women who are creatures of impulse are poetical and have about them an unchangeable attribute - the poet has none; no identity'....


John Keats to Richard Woodhouse, 1818

Larry C
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5 posted 09-19-2005 01:08 PM       View Profile for Larry C   Email Larry C   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Larry C's Home Page   View IP for Larry C

Oh...

If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.

nakdthoughts
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6 posted 09-19-2005 03:47 PM       View Profile for nakdthoughts   Email nakdthoughts   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for nakdthoughts

~smiling~ at Larry's response
Ron
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7 posted 09-19-2005 04:57 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

LOL.

The irony, of course, is that Keats was speaking metaphorically.
Michael
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8 posted 09-19-2005 06:59 PM       View Profile for Michael   Email Michael   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Michael

“I see, and sing, by my own eyes inspired.”

John Keats, from “Ode to Psyche”


John, I am still not sure what you are getting at with this post.  One reason I seldom, if ever, reply to any of your posts is the fact that you never seem to own what you are presenting.  You always present quotes from other people and never seem to add your own feelings or interpretations on the matter, an approach that always seemed somewhat antagonistic to me.

The quote you gave from Keats surely does not sum up all you have to feel on this matter, and if so I might add is a very poor reference.  Keats has long been a favorite of mine and is guilty of using “I” in a great number of his poems.  I might also add that the use of the word “I” within his poetry does not have to contradict his opinion of the poet having no identity.

I could elaborate much further on “my” feelings and give you more poetic examples to back them but again, if you are not willing to express “your” feelings on the matter I would probably just be chasing an infinite number of slightly varying opinions (likely taken out of context) from absentee, and quite possibly deceased, persons.
Capricious
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9 posted 09-19-2005 07:05 PM       View Profile for Capricious   Email Capricious   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Capricious

In truth, I think the title of the original post says more about what you are trying to get across than anything else you've posted.

I don't come here to read personals either, but I've never blamed an innocent pronoun for it.  
Brad
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10 posted 09-19-2005 07:55 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

quote:
The quote you gave from Keats surely does not sum up all you have to feel on this matter, and if so I might add is a very poor reference.  Keats has long been a favorite of mine and is guilty of using “I?in a great number of his poems.  I might also add that the use of the word “I?within his poetry does not have to contradict his opinion of the poet having no identity.


Exactly right.
Huan Yi
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11 posted 09-19-2005 08:03 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

Capricious

You're correct.
jarrett
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12 posted 05-11-2006 10:59 PM       View Profile for jarrett   Email jarrett   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for jarrett

Many of the poems, or things that we write are about something that happened to us in our life time. Why would we use "You" when it's supposed to be I?
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