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Brad
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Just thought I'd start a topic. I just received two new books by Davidson.


Rule 1,

I'm sick of religion. Ron, start a new forum.

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Well, what do you mean by that?
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Is this what you mean?


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What is life? What is poetry? Is structure better than free verse? Explore, with us, the secrets of the poetic Universe...



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For the record, I agree with you.  I started a thread a while ago about two philosophical quotes on the metaphysical necessity of the soul's damnation after leaving the body---a couple of non-dogmatic interpretations, and it turned into a biblical debate.  I'm sick of this forum.

Any name ideas?  How about Sophophilia 101?


"God becomes as we are that we may be as he is."  ~William Blake
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phi·los·o·phy    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (f-ls-f)
n. pl. phi·los·o·phies
1) Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
2) Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
3) A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry: the philosophy of Hume.
4) The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
5) The disciplines presented in university curriculums of science and the liberal arts, except medicine, law, and theology.
6) The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
7) A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory: an original philosophy of advertising.
8) A system of values by which one lives: has an unusual philosophy of life.




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No entry found for sophophilia.

Did you mean sophophobia?
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sexual gratification from learning, I think was said tongue in ... er... cheek
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Glad you asked, Pete. The basic idea is that we should look at reasons as causes and that what we do is similar if not exactly the same as cause and effect.

As far as the second comment goes, we've become a Jon Anderson type voice, a one note wonder.

There are other things to talk about.
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For the record, getting back to what makes poetry poetry would be a great idea.
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The basic idea is that we should look at reasons as causes and that what we do is similar if not exactly the same as cause and effect.



Is there any scenario in which reasons are divorced from causes?  Isn't everything we do effected and causational?
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To "mean to mean" you have to have a truth or reality and a perception thereof.  
The question is how to you arrive at your reality and what means do you employ to utilize your perception.

If poetry is a reality, then what perception does one have of what poetry is or is not?

Poetry as defined by words or by culture or by self-perception and what is the inter-relationshiop between the three.

What makes poetry poetry?  In the context of what you mean in asking the question or in the context of what I perceive the question to be?
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Is there any scenario in which reasons are divorced from causes?  Isn't everything we do effected and causational?



What about when you come to a correct conclusion?  What that a mere cause and effect relation?  Or was it more of a ground and consequent relation?  Grounds are different than causes.    


Because if your thinking is merely "caused" like all other kinds of events, there is no use talking about right thinking as distinct from wrong thinking.


Stephen.


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Brad,

I actually understand what you're getting at.  For even I get tired of discussing theology sometimes (believe it or not).  

It just so happens that the Branches of Philosophy:  Metaphysics, Ethics, Epistemology, are the very same branches which religion speaks into.  So while religion and philosophy cannot be said to be one and the same thing, they are inextricable to a large degree, to the chagrin of purists in both camps.  As Colin Brown put it, philosophy and religion have had a tenuous relationship through the years, a love-hate struggle one with another, with misunderstanding on both "sides".  


And yet I think to simply start another forum, with the intent to delineate and strictly define would not be the solution.  That would be to deny the religious side of philosophy, and the philosophical side of religion, doing neither much service.  I say let current interest take things where they will go without expressing too much disdain.  If you want to start a fresh new wind, go ahead.  I appreciate that sentiment.  


Stephen
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Fair enough, Stephen. Perhaps the best solution is simply to ask, "Hey, let's talk about something else for a while."



As an aside, I was reading Tim's comment and started smiling. There is a playfulness to philosophy that discussions of religion seem to have forgotten.

Yet, certainly, one of the most memorable scenes of the "Passion" is Jesus having fun with his mom.

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"Isn't everything we do effected and causational?"
By the way, I thought this was an excellent question (and answer   ).  
 
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