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Huan Yi
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0 posted 01-16-2005 01:02 AM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

"In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost . . ."


Who or what is the Holy Ghost, (Spirit)?
How different from the other two?

How does the Holy Trinity work?

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            God's Fatherhood
God  =  God's Sonhood
            God's Spirithood
        
Huan Yi
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Essorant,

If it’s all God, then why the repeated distinction?

Can they converse with each other; disagree;
seek help from, cry out to each other?


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As I understand it the Holy Ghost is that force that fills or can fill a believer.  God's inspiration, perhaps?
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the one entity connected by the 3 in one....

Like a forest of Ash Trees....they are all connected by roots....same concept.
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The Holy Spirit is the power by which God moves through man on the Earth. And as God is a triune entity, so is man, mind, body, and soul. After all, in His image are we created.
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How is this not polytheistic?
One body, three heads?
A sort of Hydra?


“The Blessed Trinity is God according to the doctrine of most branches of Christianity. The doctrine says that though God is one God, He exists in three distinct persons, usually referred to as God the Father, God the Son (or Son of God), and the Holy Spirit.”


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

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It would be polytheism if each unit of the trinity were worshipped seperately, as individual gods. But rather they are a council, each equal, and the same. So, we worship the council, rather than the members alone.
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People pray to God, people pray to the Son
as separate persons, (I can’t recall a prayer
to the Holy Ghost), which in a religious context
can be viewed as a form of worship.  If Jesus
is the Son, he wasn’t then talking to himself
on the cross was he?

“council” acknowledges a distinction of members,
If we are worshiping  a council composed of three
members we are worshiping the members, (plural).
Further there’s a suggestion of co-equality which
“Father” and “Son” seems to contradict.
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                           Fire (Father)
The Sun (God) =   Light (Son)
                           Heat (Spirit)
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Well, it's not like Christian tradition is completely devoid of pagan influences anyway. Look at the timing of Christian holidays- they coincide with a lot of the pagan celebrations.

In my women's studies class, we talked about the holy spirit as a sort of feminine aspect of the Christian God- the intuitive, emotional, "gut feeling" inspiration. I don't know if I buy it, but it's interesting.
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Hush,

Sounds like the early Hebrew Shekhinah
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....Shekhina.
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/s/shekhina.html

oops didn't see huan's post
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perhaps i could have used a better word, so excuse me if i am not as literate as some... while a rock is made up of millions of atoms, the whole of it is a rock. therefore, if i worship a rock, i worship it as a rock, and not each atom, though by worshipping the rock, i am worshipping all the atoms together.

If one worships another human being, would they worship each cell within that body, as cells?

I'm sure you understand what i mean, even if you would like to argue the matter more.

also, whether we pray to either member, it is the "council" that handles the matter.
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by the way, after reading the article linked, i find the concept of Shekhina very intruiging.

It would make sense, being the Father, the son, and the mother wouldn't it?

each one of their own character, but a family as a whole, a different light on the trinity.
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Again, why the individual distinctions insisted on?  
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Well, there are really no distinctions listed in the bible that i can recall.
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In Matthew 16:13 it says "When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Phillippi, he asked his disciples, saying, whom do men say that I the son of man am?"

In Matthew 16:16
And Simon Peter answered asn said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."
The son would be Jesus Christ
In Acts 2:38 It says
" Then Peter said unto them Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
The Gift of the Holy Ghost is given unto man to be comforted... We recieve the holy Ghost from God when we are baptized.
Acts 5:32 It says
"And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him."
In Matt: 5;8-9 It says
  Be ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our father which art in heaven, Hallowed be they name.

I hope this answers your question... I know it's long but I tried.  
Afterh


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No-where in the bible does it even mention that Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit.  

Within the path of the Goddess I walk, she guides my every step.. into the oblivion called life.

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Kitheron, in Matt.3:16,17, the RSV reads thus:  "And when Jesus was baptized, he went up immediately from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit if God descending like a dove, and alighting on him;  and lo, a voice from heaven, saying, 'This is my belovd Son, with whom I am well pleased.'"

Here is evidence of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

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Jarrett, I disagree that a person becomes indwelt by the Holy Spirit by being baptized>

Paul, at first baptized a few, but then he said in 1 Cor.1:17 "For Christ did not send me to baptize, butto preach the gospel--not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power." NIV

Eph. 2:8,9 says "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast."  NIV

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What is the Holy Spirit's name? Afterall, God the Father is Jehovah or Yahweh and the Son of God is named Jesus, but if the HS is a separate entity how come He doesn't have a name?

"Melvin, the best thing you got going for you is your willingness to humiliate yourself."

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In my opinion, JCP, the Holy Spirit is a special spirit: "Holy" meaning "set apart", thus, set apart for a special purpose or operation.

No being a "person" it has no need for a name.

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What are we supposed to do with those scriptures which ascribe personality to the Holy Spirit, then?


such as Hebrews 3:7 - "So as the Holy Spirit says, 'Today, if you will hear his voice ... "

or Hebrews 10:15 - "The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this.  First he says ..."

or Acts 21:11 - " ... The Holy Spirit says 'In this way the Jews of Jerusalem ... "

or Acts 28:25 - " ... The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your forefathers when he said through Isaiah the prophet, ... "


And those are just a few.  The denial of the Holy Spirit's personhood is an attempt to defend various forms of Arianism.  But to me, (readers here can be the judge), it requires serious scriptural gymnastics ... nay, contortionism, to make its claim.


Are you really suggesting that words like "speak, says, testify, and HE" do not convey personhood?


Stephen.  
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But what is the Holy Spirit's name? Again, a question left unanswered.

EDIT: Not only that, which part of the Godhead impregnated Mary? Was it God the Father or God the Holy Spirit?




"Melvin, the best thing you got going for you is your willingness to humiliate yourself."
 
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