Jejudo, South Korea
But Brad, I just don't believe in absolute freedom (other than at the philosopher's arm-chair) ... I don't believe we (as creaturely dependent as we are) were ever meant to have full autonomy.
Well, I know there's no such things as absolute freedom for us, and I certainly don't believe in anything that might sound like 'full autonomy'. Yet, none of that interferes with the idea of choice.
For example, I don't have a qualm with my son being obedient, just because I told him to be.
Neither do I, I just don't consider it a moral decision on his part. If, however, he decides to be a good son because he thinks it's the right thing to do, well, I think that is a moral decision. How he came to that conclusion is irrelevant to the conclusion itself.
And yes, I think it's a moral issue as well as a practical issue for him, even now.
I suspect so as well. Even young children have already internalized a whole lot of things.
Of course, as a father, I look forward to the day of a more mature internalization, where it's just part of who he is, to honor his parents (actually it already is, in part). However, even his adult "free" choices will be a direct result of responding to the childish legal forms of morality in his earlier years. If rewards and punishments can be given with love, then they can ultimately be received with love ... (or in other words, with more than mere self interest).
No disagreement here.
Actually, I'm trying to keep the thing as simple as I can. In the real world, there are multiple reasons for any decision we make. I just want to stress that moral decisions/acts, insofar as they are moral, are neither bases on your history, nor the history of the other, they are based on morality.