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Two quotes on why Hell is necessary

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Knubian
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50 posted 04-05-2006 09:12 AM       View Profile for Knubian   Email Knubian   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Knubian's Home Page   View IP for Knubian

Couldn't hell just be simply distance from God's Grace?  And the rest, we read too much into the why's and woe's of it!

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He spoke with heavenly beings who resided on Mars, Venus and other planets, (which, I seem to recall, he visited). One could say that Hell would be being stuck in a room with Emanuel Swedenborg.
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Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

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51 posted 04-05-2006 09:55 PM       View Profile for JesusChristPose   Email JesusChristPose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JesusChristPose

Uriah,

That is what I was taught when I worshipped with a certain small flock of Christians.

"Melvin, the best thing you got going for you is your willingness to humiliate yourself."

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52 posted 08-26-2006 09:24 PM       View Profile for Arnold M   Email Arnold M   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Arnold M

Wow!  XOxUriahxOX, that is one long sermon.
And I applaud and agree, with perhaps some further comments.
Nowhere in the Scriptures (literal, more accurate translations) does it say "The wages of sin is conscious eternal torment",  but we do read in Romans 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death.."

It is indeed unfortunate that in the 2nd or 3rd centuries A.D. that the false idea of man having a separate eternal soul came into being.  A "soul", mind you, that would have to have all the senses in order to be enjoying the bliss of heaven, or be suffering the woes of torment.

While, IMO, there is no "eternal hell", yet all mankind will be judged for their deeds.

For the church/body of Christ this will occur in the heavenlies before the bema of Christ.  There will be no loss of salvation, but loss of rewards.

For the believing Israelites, it will occur after Christ's return to the earth to establish the Kingdom.

For all others it will occur at the great white throne of Christ, after they are resurrected (see Rev.20:11-15).

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53 posted 08-26-2006 10:12 PM       View Profile for kif kif   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for kif kif

A few words from Crowley on spiritism; "No spiritist, once he is wholly emmeshed in sentimentality and freudian fear-fantasms, is capable of concentrated thought, of persistent will, or of moral character. Devoid of every spark of divine light which is his birth-right, a pray before death to the ghastly tenents of the grave, the wretch, like the mesmerized and living corpse of Poe's Monsieur Valdemar is 'a nearly liquid mass of loathesome, of detestable putrescence.'

Unless your aura is strong enough to inhibit any manifestation of the loathly larvae that have taken up their habitation in them, shun them as you need not mere lepers! (Magick In Theory And Practice-Of Black Magick, p301)


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I would rather listen to nails down a chalkboard than read that manner of speech.
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55 posted 08-27-2006 06:49 AM       View Profile for kif kif   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for kif kif

I feel the same when I hear "the great white throne of Christ." Actually, I think Crowley is closer to Christianity than many would like to admit. If you read Crowley's work, you'll find he says "the single Supreme Ritual is the attainment of the knowledge and conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel. It is the raising of the complete man in a vertical straight line. Any deviation from this line tends to become black magic." Judging by my conversations with Christians, is this not the same as saying "one way (our way) to heaven"?

One cannot form an opinion about something one knows nothing about. Crowley delighted in the opinions others had of him, because he was a self-important egotist, but that doesn't negate the fact that his work was highly gnostic.

Don't get me wrong, I think Crowley was 'awa' wi' the faeries' as they say up North, but by the same token, I think Priests who think they have a special access to God's word are pretty barmy, too.

[This message has been edited by kif kif (08-27-2006 09:02 AM).]

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I know this thread seems to have wound down, but here's an artical called "Seeing Hell Through the Reason and Imagination of C.S. Lewis".  It's quite an interesting read.  


It has some great insights for those who are inclined to retain the orthodox teachings about the reality of Hell, and yet who are thoughtful and sensitive to the philosophic and theonomic problems it naturally brings to mind.  I think there's a great balance in Lewis' views between orthodoxy and a critical and honest approach to truth.

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&p   rogram=CS%20Lewis%20and%20Public%20Life&id=507


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57 posted 11-17-2006 12:06 PM       View Profile for JesusChristPose   Email JesusChristPose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JesusChristPose

"For the church/body of Christ this will occur in the heavenlies before the bema of Christ.  There will be no loss of salvation, but loss of rewards.

For the believing Israelites, it will occur after Christ's return to the earth to establish the Kingdom.

For all others it will occur at the great white throne of Christ, after they are resurrected (see Rev.20:11-15).


~ So, you believe in 3 distinct resurrections of the dead?

"Melvin, the best thing you got going for you is your willingness to humiliate yourself."

 
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