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25 posted 11-08-2004 03:44 PM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

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He didn't say you shouldn't judge the moral quality of others. Instead, He simply engineered a Universe where you can't.

The first part is absurd for those who've acutally read the Bible.


The second part is absurd for those who've actually observed history and the world around us.


How do you sustain these ideas, beyond "Just so"?


Stephen.
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Do you need a moral argument to get out of bed in the morning, John? Or will the more pragmatic call of a full bladder usually do the trick?



Maybe no moral reason is required to rise, but it usually takes one (or something very kindred to one) to keep you from irresponsibly crawling back in.    


BTW, John is right ... You're implying that every effort to thwart Hitler was done to save our own skin, and nothing done out of moral indignation about what he was doing to the Jews.  


Sorry but that's bologna.


Stephen.

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But that's exactly the problem, Stephen -- there can be no such balance. Not Biblically, because there are no degrees of sin, and certainly not historically, because no culture has ever escaped its own brand of crusades or inquisitions.



No doubt.  But you're leading us to believe that ALL agression has amounted to those kinds of errors.


Just Curious ... I know the danger of taking this to the extreme, or imagining to fondly and gleefully that we're the instrument of God's judgement, but what do you make of the Old Testament examples of YHWH commanding the Israelites to warfare?


Or does liberal theology do the job for you, and say that's just an fanciful account of something God had little or nothing to do with?  


(and Yes, I know that theology has been  greatly altered for Christians by the coming of the Prince of Peace, and his frowning upon "living by the sword")


Stephen

(ps ... to the administrative side of you, Ron, I apologize for not putting all that in ONE reply. - I'll try to do better next time)  
 
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