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LeeJ
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25 posted 10-12-2004 02:34 PM       View Profile for LeeJ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LeeJ

no one, but no one can assume what another is thinking, let alone God.
I believe the Bible was written by men, who assume and no matter how much goodness they intend, they will argue any point to their side, as you, me, and everyone here.

But the simple fact is....free will is the fact that you have gotten to this place right now, by your choices....no one else is responsible for your life but you....
I'm talking in general...and even now, even disease, I wonder is mostly man made...it surely isn't of God....

Free will is! And this is still the best place in the world to live, as long as people stay open minded and alert...not fear, but caution, to those whom would empower and control...

I do also believe punishment is care and love
to generate the child to know there is definately a result from his/her reactions...and holds consequence.  

I also believe it is sorely important for the adult to allow the child to make mistakes of his own...otherwise, how else would he/she learn

Of great importance is to realize, children parrot their parents...so it is important and essential to remember that and try not to condition them...but to teach them respect for life....all life...to embrace fully their responsibilities as well as their accomplishments.

We have become a negative society, corrupted by gossip...wishing bad of others...afraid to encourage others...pride and jealousy, greed stands in the way....don't be afraid to encourage many trails, the arts, moral education, common sense education, dance, music, the Bible, reading...but always remind him/her, you are reading one person's opinion, therefore, do what in your heart you feel will compliment the entire neighborhood....help your neighbors, know their names, take life by the hand and experience everything you can, as long as no one else gets hurt...don't use people, and learn to do without...to go hungry, to survive, to improvise, to create, and cultivate the soil....fish, hunt if need be, and to always always persue education...never stagnate yourself with pride or I wants....ask youself if your really need?  Focus on miracles and good will towards man, leaving this place in a better place, and remember, think before you make decission, b/c each and every decission you make, isn't only about you, but affects/effects all those who love you, and care for you.  And when your parents grow old, remember you might have to care for them, they wiped your bottom to, many times over.  Death is not indecent...death is part of life...dont' fear it....but experience it in dignity...letting go, and walking toward a new experience.  Life is easy, we are the ones who make it hard...and the devil will sell you an entire lake of truth, to disquise one pt. of poisen?  A person's gotta do, what best in their heart will be good for the union, and not just for the person. Happiness is a frame of mind, and is different for all people...one may find happiness in simple fulfillment, another may only succeed in happiness in being great as a leader...another in material things....happiness is what you believe it to be...and never ever can the soul be entrapped or caged...never...it is that pull of positive energy which is forever around us..fighting the negative energy....


To me, all of the above is free will?

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Sorry, I Deleted my comment.  

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quote:
no one, but no one can assume what another is thinking, let alone God.
I believe the Bible was written by men, who assume and no matter how much goodness they intend, they will argue any point to their side, as you, me, and everyone here.

But Lee, no one ever denied that the Bible was written by men.  That's a given.  The claim has always been that the bible is divinely inspired (Greek- theopneustos- literally "God breathed")  So the question is:  Is the claim of divine revelation through the writing of men, a true one?  Is God powerful enough to give an infallible message through fallible hands?  Is the bible historically accurate when it tells us about the man who claimed to be more than just a man, but divine?  If not, then we have no credible, reliable revelation ... only opinion, musing, and creative descriptions of our own mind.


"Men wrote the bible" is no argument against the possibility of divine revelation.  It would make sense for God to communicate to humans through human agents, since that's how we relate.  


Stephen.  
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Lee,

You give a lot of practically good advice in your post, much of which I agree with (I really mean that).  And yet, I see something which I wonder about ...


You say:
quote:
We have become a negative society, corrupted by gossip...wishing bad of others...afraid to encourage others...pride and jealousy, greed stands in the way

Then ...  
quote:
think before you make decission, b/c each and every decission you make, isn't only about you, but affects/effects all those who love you, and care for you.

And ...  
quote:
happiness is what you believe it to be...and never ever can the soul be entrapped or caged...never...it is that pull of positive energy which is forever around us..fighting the negative energy....



In view of what you have said.  I wonder only about two things in your last quote ... First, Is happiness really what we believe it to be?  Or is it dependent upon certain criteria?  You did start off by saying that we have become a negative society, with undue fear, greed, selfishness, gossip, etc ...  And yet many people choose these things because they seek their "own" happiness, rather than adherence to anything higher or nobler.


Secondly, did you really mean that the soul can never be entrapped?  Or did you mean that given certain conditions, right choices, etc  ... that the soul cannot be entrapped?  Because in light of your first statement about society, it seems there are many many souls who are entrapped, because their focus is wrong.


Thirdly, is this "pull of positive energy" a given thing that will ultimately win out, or is it something (someone?) who requires something of us, perhaps a response of some kind?  Because taking your statement at face value, one might look at many situations in the world and wonder if the positive energy is really winning out.

  
In short, I guess what I'm trying to ask in these questions is all the same thing.  You seem to see virtue in autonomous will, or choice.  And yet many things you say seems to only admit virtue to certain particular choices, not just any choice at all.


  


Stephen.      
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Hi Stephen…

No, no forgive me; I was thinking out loud, not rebuking anyone’s belief or statements here.  Just adding my thoughts….

I believe in God and Jesus…but having a problem of late with the Bible’s content
Regarding what may have been left out, and what is there now.  

I don’t believe God intended women to be a slaves…but equal, yet, when you look at ancient history…and even modern day countries…simply have a problem with understanding we are equal.  Now don’t misunderstand, I love to have the door opened for me…as I would hold it open for someone as a suggestion of care.  

A lot of my other statements were meant to be in lieu of the brainwashing we’ve been subjected to for years and years.

If we are as God himself, then, the musings of soul, mind and nature, provide many answers.  I question divine intervention…not that He doesn’t intervene
But I believe he gifts us life, and it’s our choice to do with it what we like.
Also believe that God does not create disease…man does…in all the chemicals we’ve been using and testing, which we ingest…

Yes, we have become a very negative society, which is free will.  And are corrupted by gossip, pride, accepting immoral beliefs and crimes as a way of things….all these soap operas, and real TV shows are absolutely insulting to our integrity.  

We’ve become a society of materialism, commercialism and our only thoughts of success are in the material…and yes, society does not encourage love…kindness…compassion….mature thinking….it teaches, fashion, and if you look beautiful on the outside, then you have everything, not to mention open sex, what ever happened to the concept….making love?

My statement of (think before you make decisions should have been before “we” make decisions; sorry I get carried away…)

This meaning, we have become a world society who no longer thinks about the long term effects our decisions have on others or how they hurt others.  In our desires for fortune and fame, immediate gratification…we’re forgetting about love for others…giving love as well as receiving.  We’re loosing something very sacred and pure to the human soul….the great passion of togetherness.  That is success…riches…having nothing to do with material.  Ask our youth of today, what love is?  Ask them what courtesy is?  They don’t know?  And it’s not their fault, it’s ours.

We’re loosing any adherences to nobleness, compassion and the ability to stand against what is wrong, we deny the positive forces and accept the negative…and when one person works against what others are accomplishing, it corrodes the entire body, neighborhoods, towns, cities, world.  It’s a definite ripple effect…

Happiness is what each individual deems as success…and I add here, who am I to tell anyone what they’re happiness is or should be?  

I meant the body can die, but the soul will never be caged.  The soul lives, and as there is beginning and end in everything, so to, will come our end eventually…and when that time comes is when we look back and discover, what did we do and accomplish, and I don’t believe it will have anything to do with how many properties one owns, or how many cars…or trendy cloths…but eventually the soul will flourish and realize the importance of love.  Not physical love…but something much deeper.  

The pull of positive energy is there as well as the negative, but yes, I believe the positive will ultimately win…it is the God source…the positive energy.

And yes, at face value one might look at many situations in the world and wonder if positive is winning….we should wake up and take a look.  We’re walking around asleep, and desensitized to what is reality and what is fiction.  (Brainwashed)

As far as choice…again, whatever you believe it to be…but if we would turn this whole thing around and turn away from negativity, and not fear standing up and saying this is WRONG and unacceptable commercialism, behavior, etc…virtue might begin to solidify into our modern concepts….

I think, we use a very small part of our brains…and we should and could be much further along.  

Our reality is whatever they (that in control) want us to believe.

In my opinion, another option of free will would be this…i.e.  If everyone could drop their political party without feeling like they were defying their parents…forget about democrats and republicans and vote for the man, not the party?  I also believe we should have two or three other parties which would force more honest decisions…and less childish bashings of a person’s character.

The problems facing our world are not so difficult…but we’ve become a divided world of people who actually believe we can dictate what another should believe…and believe it or not, most of it comes from religion, our parents, television and our government.  Whenever your government becomes immoral and corrupt, so to will its people.  And what better way to control others then by fear…propaganda…we’re all guilty, we’re all members of one body, no matter the color of your skin, race or religion, we all bleed the same.

There is a lot of good, and a lot of wonderful people in this world…and what I fear is…loosing them and their beliefs and any connection to divinity while human.  

I hope I’ve cleared things a little, and not offended anyone, I tend to be a very passionate talker about these subjects and it’s not always a good thing…smile
As I mean no insult to anyone…nor am I writing or talking to anyone directly by saying “you”.   When I should type we…it is we in my mind, but I forget, others cannot read my mind…smiles.  

I’ve been struggling with a lot of issues lately…so, please believe and understand when I say, what I write, is definitely not written in stone, as I have a lot to learn and would welcome anyone’s ides

When we act out our everyday schedules, we’re doing what “they” have told us we should do…becoming so wrapped up in material gain…forgetting about what we’re really supposed to be doing…and they have us right where they want us.

Free Will of the physical can be and might be someday taken away, but the hope is, that the free will of the spirit can never be broken.  That is what I believe?

Thank you
Lee J.
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Kaoru, I apologize for misspelling your name.

Earlier I suggested reading the book of Romans. But on second thought I believe the gospel of John in the NT would be better.

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God’s Sadness


(God Speaks)


I see you coming and going upon the trembling of the Earth
as in the world’s first days, but great is the difference,
my work is no longer within me.
I have given it entirely to you.

Men, my beloved, I am powerless in your misfortunes,
I could give you only tears and your courage,
which are the warm evidence of God’s existence.
The moisture in your soul is what you have left of me.
I could do no more. I could do nothing
for the mother whose son is going to die
except give light to you, candles of hope.
If it were not so, would you know,
you undefended little beds, the paralysis of children.

I am cut off from my work,
what is finished is far away and goes further still each day.
When the brook runs down from the mountain
can there be any going back?

I can no more speak to you than a potter can speak to his pot,
of the two one is deaf, the other dumb before his handiwork
and I see you advancing towards blinding precipices
and cannot even identify them for you,
and I cannot hint to you how you should set about them,
you must get yourself out of trouble alone like orphans in the snow.

And I tell myself each day beyond a vast silence:
‘There’s another doing wrong what he could do right,
another stumbling by not looking where he should,
and here’s another
leaning much too far over his balcony, forgetting gravity,
and that one who hasn’t checked his engine,
farewell aeroplane, farewell man!’
I can do no more for you,
alas if I repeat myself it is through enduring it.

I am a memory descending,
you are living in a memory,
the hope that climbs your hillsides,
you are living in expectation.

Shaken by the prayers and the blasphemies of men,
I am everywhere at once and cannot show myself,
without moving I move about and pass from heaven to heaven,
I am the wanderer within myself and the inwardly teeming hermit,
familiar with distances, I am very distant from myself,
I stray deep within myself like a child in the woods,
I call myself, I haul myself in and draw myself towards my centre.
Man, if I created you it was to see it more clearly
and to live in a body,
I who have neither hands nor face.

I want to thank you for doing earnestly
all that will have only a brief time on the beloved earth.
O my child, my precious one,
O courage given by your God, my son,
you have gone roaming the world in my place
ahead of me in your so vulnerable body with its great poverty.
Not a small parcel of skin where deep decay may not form.
Each of you knows how to be a dead man without the need to learn,
a perfect corpse that can be rolled and rolled again in all directions,
in which no fault can be found.
God outlives you, he alone survives
in the midst of great massacre of men, women, and children,
even alive you are constantly dying a little,
make your peace with life, with your trembling loves.

You have a brain, fingers to fashion the world to your taste,
you have talents to give life to reason and madness within your shell,
you have all the animals that form Creation,
you can run and swim like the dog and the fish,
move forward like the tiger or the week-old lamb,
you can bring death to yourself like the reindeer, the scorpion,
yet I remain the invisible one,
undiscoverable on the Earth,

have pity on your God who could not make you happy,
small fragments of myself,
O throbbing sparks,

I offer you only a furnace
where you will find fire once again.


Jules Supervielle
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Listen, Will You Learn to Hear Me from Afar?


Listen, will you learn to hear me from afar?
It's a question of inclining the heart more than the ear.
You'll find bridges in yourself and roads
To reach all the way to me who waits and stares.

What does it matter, the Atlantic's width.
The fields, woods, mountains between us two?
One by one they'll have to give up on that day
You turn your eyes this way.


-Jules Supervielle-




The Convert


After one moment when I bowed my head
And the whole world turned over and came upright,
And I came out where the old road shone white,
I walked the ways and heard what all men said,
Forests of tongues, like autumn leaves unshed,
Being not unlovable but strange and light;
Old riddles and new creeds, not in despite
But softly, as men smile about the dead.

The sages have a hundred maps to give
That trace their crawling cosmos like a tree,
They rattle reason out through many a sieve
That stores the sand and lets the gold go free:
And all these things are less than dust to me
Because my name is Lazarus and I live.


-G.K. Chesterton-


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Free Will:  slavery with many choices to make!

What man may choose what is need?   He only has some choice about how to serve what is fallen in Nature as need.  
The less we serve need enough,  the more we need and have less choice.    
Some are in need of blood, and some have it to donate.  Those that don't need the blood have choice; those that need the blood have no choice but to need.  
Thus, need is not a choice.  But how we serve and give to need is.

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Essorant, I applaud you....BRAVO

What you wrote is absolute truth and right from the heart of a spiritual beat.  Thank you!
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Thus, need is not a choice.  But how we serve and give to need is.

Sorry, but need, too, is always a choice.

How many in the industrialized world claim they "need" a car in order to work? What they are really saying, of course, is that they find the alternative unacceptable. Their need is fueled by a strong desire to avoid what might be several hours a day either walking or riding public transportation. Or finding a new job. Or perhaps not working at all. Not liking your choices doesn't eliminate their existence.

There is no need that doesn't offer a corresponding choice, and most of what we consider to be a need offers many such choices. In some few instances, the only alternative is death, but that too is still a choice. It's just not one we like to consider.


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No, a car is not a need, it is a hastemaker. A car comes from the oppression of society for haste.  Society oppresses it for haste with cars, so we are car-oppressed, and full of a haste that influences our whole lives.  No life needs as much haste as we make in most places. A thousand percent is greed, 10% is need.  I believe in using cars (and buses and taxies) for aids across long distances and thro bad weathers and as emergency, or assistance vehicles.  But society does not use them in such manner, more as helpers to going some where.   Society uses them them as more servers to greed and excessive haste.   It makes them the centeral of going somewhere.
Driving is like sitting in front of a videogame, where actual danger is present.  All the same kind of bad influences that may come from a video game work upon drivers that drive too much.  Cars and driving become an addicition like drug: people become excessive and buy far more cars than they "need"  Such excessiveness makes them greedy for money to serve their car-fancying and driving; driving often makes almost anyone become severly impatient and impatience then becomes lived in many other things he/she does as well; it makes one less regardful to slower "modes" and more natural landscapes (opposed to streetland), and makes one feel mode-dependent upon machine and haste.  
Too Many injuries and deaths come with cars, too many crimes, junkyards, clutter and dirtiness, money-greed and vice, and idleness.  The condition  cars are in today, makes cars one of the worst conditions of life.  And almost every humbler mode now seems much wiser and safer and more toward need.
Horses are far more civilized.  
At least they are able to feel and sense.
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"There is no need that doesn't offer a corresponding choice, and most of what we consider to be a need offers many such choices. In some few instances, the only alternative is death, but that too is still a choice. It's just not one we like to consider."

Yes, a need offers a choice, but only because it has some flexibility.  We  don't choose what the need is though.  We choose how to serve within an extent.  Some men seek the extremes of the extent, some men seek a middle and moderation point.  Those that put to the extremes shall be made to need more and have less choice.  Those that put to the middle and moderation need less and find there are more choices and health.  That is because moderation is most agreeable in all things.  It is the mother of all virtues.  
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That is because moderation is most agreeable in all things.  It is the mother of all virtues.

For you, perhaps, Essorant. But that, too, is a choice.

For me, the opposite of moderation has proven a more fulfilling course. The opposite of moderation, at least in many things, has provided a life rather than existence, purpose rather than indifference, memories rather than emptiness. The opposite of moderation, Ess, at least for some of us, is still worth pursuing.

Besides, who would ever want to visit a place called Moderation in Poetry?


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Ron and Ess,

Actually I think you're both wrong, and both right.    


It's not either moderation or extravagance.

It's both moderation and extravagance, whenever each is called for.

Foolishness often results from mistaking the need for one for the need of the other.  As Solomon said "There is a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing".


The attractive, witty woman at work may require some moderation for a married man.

While the beautiful intelligent wife at home may require some exercise in extravagance, for that same man.


See what I mean?


Oh and Ron, is "Moderator" an unfortunate misnomer for you?     


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Moderation doesn't ask for too much.
It simply says "do no extremes"
I think one may find more healthy in moderation, and thereby have more room that even to indulge here and there.  If one chooses extreme that shall become a pit of narrowed need, where soon ill health does not afford such flexibilities, and flexibilities such choices, and room ever to indulge pleasures and cheer.  Extremes take everything to too much, where too much offers less. Moderation takes things to where less is actually much more.  

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Man's will is granted three kinds of choices:

1) Better
2) Worse
3) Worst


Animals, however, are granted only one kind of choice:  

1) Best
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i suppose what it comes down to is the individuals image of what happiness is to them. How we serve happiness, is how we're served back?  Yes?  

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i suppose what it comes down to is the individuals image of what happiness is to them. How we serve happiness, is how we're served back?  Yes?


If you "serve" happiness, can you then become a slave to it?  


It seems to me that often life presents us with choices that are meant to take us beyond the concern for personal "happiness" ... sometimes even into painful circumstances.  It's just that I think happiness can be a shallow concept, because it's not deep enough.  For the question arises "What IS happiness?"  Comfort?  Prosperity?  absence of conflict?  If we get the question wrong, then we're not as happy as we thought we were.  Can joy ever be missed by settling for the common conception of happiness?  I'm not promoting being a masochist, and seeking the painful paths.  Just trying to bring another point of view in.    


This ties in to another thread where Ron and I were discussing, wrong choices ... even "evil" choices.  They're usually done under some individual perception of personal "happiness".


Stephen.

  
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Stephen...

I'm happy and elated when I see a couple holding hands, smiling and telling me the years they've been married...and they're acting like newly weds...if even in that moment...but their happiness, pleases me.

I'm happy when someone on PIP announces their success...or when a baby is being born, or a wedding is taking place...or a child takes his/her first steps.

I'm extatic when I see people forgive one another after a long hard dissagreement, it brings tears of joy to my eyes

Or when I'm traveling down the road to a destination unknown, just get in the car and drive...and very extatic when I've arrived at a vacation destination...or when taking care of my grand-daughter, I can still see her laughing so hard that both of us couldn't get a breath.

I'm happy to rememeber a love I once experienced, it was amazing, yes, it went sour, but there were good memories as well, many I was able to build on, which changed my life...

I'm happy when my mom smiles after she's told me a sad story about a friend who has passed...but she realizes this is part of life

I'm so overwhelmed by nature...and the wonder and power of it's ability to do what it does...the beauty in storms...the peace in the rising sun...and sunsets....

I'm happy to hear a friends voice on the other end of the phone line...and to share thoughts, and maybe even learn a thing or two during our conversation, or to attend a picnic...a family gathering, holidays with my family or traveling...

I'm happy in the spring, gathering all my herbs...planting...attending summer festivales...swimming...reading a book by the a river...or just creating a poem.

I'm happy to see the happiness in someone elses words...and rejoice at their abilities, and am in awe at their talents...

I believe we are a society that looks for negativity and thrives on it...forgetting that all good things are there for us to welcome, if we choose.  We as a society are actually afraid to be happy...we have to look for approval from others????

Happiness is how you see yourself...how you see others...welcome and encourage others to prosper...happiness is love...concern and care for others more then ourselves...and has nothing to do with the material.  

Happiness is walking away from a really feel good movie....and feeling good...

or walking on the beach, riding a horse...taking the time to listen to and older person, petting a dog...playing with the kids...turning of the TV and listening to the quiet...happiness is meditation...a Dairy Queen ice cream...putting together a dinner party...giving and sending gifts...writing a little note and placing it in your honey's car or lunch...listening to the sounds of a colt suckling on its mother for the first time

Happiness is taking responsiblity for others, and allowing them room, encouraging them to pursue their dreams...

Happiness is seeing people come together during the time of 911...wishing we would all work together like that, year round...

Happiness is all in how you look at things...how your receive happiness, what your priorities are...happiness is hugging someone who is crying...or in need, perhaps making dinners for those who are sick...and cannot cook for themselves, checking in on a neighbor who is ill, shoveling their sidewalk when they cannot, calling someone who has lost a loved one, to let them know you care...dropping everything and going to their aid...giving when sometimes its hard to give, and letting go, when it benefits everyone concerned....happiness cannot be measured or bought...things make you happy for moments, but teach us to forget to give of ourselves...to seek happiness in helping others and learning from them...happiness is knowing...that we're doing the best we can...and realizing our purpose here for the time we have...cuz in the end...when it comes down to our last breath...it won't matter what we own, what will matter, is what we gave...in humbleness and faith...without expectaion?

Thats my world????

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FREE WILL
It depends on whether you are within the time domain. If you are outside of the time domain it looks like predestination.
2 quotes on free will:

The mystical side of modern physics states that for free will to truly exist there must be an infinite number of parallel universes. Delmonico 1/2/2011
In this journey of life we have been set upon, every choice becomes a fork in the road. The destination of the branches in front of us are real but all the other branches behind us are imagined. Delmonico (10-30-10)
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The way I see it is that it is very simple.  

We have free will, but sometimes for better or worse, some people choose not to exercise it in the conventional sense.  They allow other influences, suggestion, instructions, rules, laws, or tyrants to dictate to them.  However, that was free will to allow those things to dictate to them.

I would have liked to have read all the responses but chose not to, as I don't have much free time.  However, I could have ignored that rationality and chosen to.  This could be interpreted by some that I allowed my circumstances to dictate to me and thus didn't have free will.  However, my own interpretation is that I chose not to and I exercised free will in choosing not to.  

I take the responsibility of that choice upon myself.  I accept the repercussions (such as possibly being told, "All this has been said before and has been discounted" - or "it has been mentioned already and has been accepted").

Owl
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The question of free will is moot.  I will, however, give my opinion on the matter.  We, as humans, do not have complete free will, as our decisions are influenced by teachers, parents, peers, and younglings.  There will always be some outside choice pressuring us to do this or that, but the choice is ultimately ours.  There, the Free Will takes on its manifestation, yet society always expects something from us, thereby binding our wills.
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We have free will.

We have the choice to separate ourselves from god spiritually. We may not be able to control addictions and bad habbits, but we choose our closeness to god.

I know I have pondered this, and I expect that I will never fully understand. But I know that god wants us to love him and be humble.  Adam and Eve chose to disobey him and worship themselves instead of god.  

  

-Juju

-"So you found a girl
Who thinks really deep thoughts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos

 
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