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Skyfyre
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Jim, I'll have to check that treatise out.  I'm toying with the idea of signing up for a World Religions course to fulfill that last Humanities requirement that my former college was so kind as to forget to mention.

Humanities, feh!  You'd think I was studying to be a human, or something.  

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To your earlier statements, natural theologians (of which Aquinas was the most prominent) strive to prove that characteristics of the universe reflect the handiwork of God.


Absolutely.  Rabid athiests in the scientific community have been dancing around this issue for centuries, and it's only in the last twenty years or so that Christian scientists have begun to publicly reconcile their faith with their work.  To think that only a few centuries ago it was heresy to proclaim that Creation was anything but God's handiwork ... whereas in the last century or so a scientist who claimed to believe in Creation was a quack.  

Most of what I've read to this end deals directly with the biological and chemical basis of life.  In true scientific fashion, the authors of the studies do not endeavor to prove the theory of creationism, but instead to debunk the more popular theories of evolution.  In the process, however, discoveries are made that fairly scream of an intelligent design even on the subcellular level.  Very intersting (if somewhat technical) reading.

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You make good points Ron, and no, reason isn't infallible. But it still doesn't answer Chris' question or how you would react if faced with a friend typewriting God's message.

I'm fairly certain you'd be 100 times more likely to fall back on reason and skepticism in a case where someone professes to see God than with someone claiming a scientific or techonological discovery. Why?
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Perhaps you are all familiar with the Christian organization: Reasons To Believe.
the president if Hugh Ross, PHD in astronomy, and also a minister.  He and his staff survey practically all scientific publications and point out that scientific truth points to God, the Divine Creator.
The web site is www.reasons.org.

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First, the majority of world’s human beings,
were/are not Christians.  History is replete
with all sorts of attempts to explain by one, many, none
gods.

As to the bible, let me recommend, as a start:

Asimov's Guide to the Bible:
The Old and New Testaments (2Vols. in One)
by ISAAC ASIMOV

Hardcover: 1296 pages
Publisher: Gramercy; Reprint edition (December 12, 1988)
ISBN: 051734582X

which is very interesting
in how it traces biblical comments etc. to other
sources and gives context to their expression.


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I'm fairly certain you'd be 100 times more likely to fall back on reason and skepticism in a case where someone professes to see God than with someone claiming a scientific or techonological discovery. Why?



Raph,

The NewTestament writings are not just accounts of men who professed to "see God" in a philosophical or mystical way.  They are accounts of a man whom they believed to be the Jewish Messiah, who embodied the actions of God in time and space.  So they are as much historical, as they are theological.  And many believe them because alternative theories of Jesus (other than his messianic status, death, and literal bodily ressurrection) make little sense in light of the actual historical things that are known about 1st century Judaism, and the early Christian Church.


I'm reading a book right now by N.T. Wright called "The Challenge of Jesus", where, as a historian, he explains his take on the issues of the claims of the early Christians.  I think literal history and context might have much to say to the question you are asking.


  
There may be reasons that so many people don't find the claims of divine revelation in the Christian tradition hopelessly absurd and far-fetched.  They didn't just claim to "see God" in some enigmatic psychological fashion, they saw what he did and wrote it in plain narration.  And these accounts, as amazing as they are, seem to fit best in the total history that we know.  


Stephen.

  
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“There may be reasons that so many people don't find the claims of divine revelation in the Christian tradition hopelessly absurd and far-fetched.”

Among and perhaps the primary being
they don’t want to.

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So it comes as no surprise: some faith is required.

If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.

 
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