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serenity blaze
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0 posted 06-10-2004 11:47 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Is it better to remain silent than to speak wrongly? And whichever you might think, would that apply to actions as well? (Better to do nothing than err by misdeed?)

(sheesh--it was too quiet in here--grin)
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1 posted 06-10-2004 12:58 PM       View Profile for Enchantress   Email Enchantress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Enchantress

Ser..May I go think about this one?
Because it depends..just depends...
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2 posted 06-10-2004 01:06 PM       View Profile for Janet Marie   Email Janet Marie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Janet Marie

Ahem ....

Quoting Dr. Phil ...

" My daddy always said"  ...

"Never miss a good chance to shut up"

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3 posted 06-10-2004 01:20 PM       View Profile for Sudhir Iyer   Email Sudhir Iyer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sudhir Iyer

Mostly...
yep
&
yep, again

regards
sudhir
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It's always wise to act deliberatively - but there are times when both action and inaction may cause harm to someone.  In such a case, we weigh the respective benefits and costs and act (or choose not to act) accordingly.  As a general rule, I think we should strive to do the right thing in spite of the possible negative personal consequences - that is how I define integrity.

There is a difference between acting rashly and causing another person harm and acting deliberately, but in a way the causes harm in order to promote the greater good.  I'm not saying the ends justify the means - when our means hurt someone, we ought to willing embrace the consequences, even when the ends are worthwhile.

Jim
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5 posted 06-10-2004 03:14 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Summation for Jim: "No."

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and what about your opinion, Chris?



my guess is silence (on the subject of the question)... but then you 'spoke' for Jim ...

ah...ha...

a twisted one this one then

regards
sudhir
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7 posted 06-10-2004 03:36 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

quote:
Is it better to remain silent than to speak wrongly? And whichever you might think, would that apply to actions as well? (Better to do nothing than err by misdeed?)

For whom is it wrong?  The speaker, or the one who will receive the message?  Same goes for actions.  And, over what matter?

You see, I've been known to suffer from foot-in-mouth disease, despite my good intentions.

I need specifics! LOL...
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Not exactly, Chris.  If Serenity was to restate the question "Is it better to remain silent than to speak rashly?" My answer would be an emphatic "yes."
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9 posted 06-10-2004 03:45 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I'll be back afterwhile to clarify a bit what I was getting at.

I have to find the book, and THEN the quote that prompted the thought...

wish me luck.

This place is badly in need of the dewey decimal system.

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Depends on whether or not saying anything will actually improve the outcome for any of the parties involved... if it's just bi.. um... nagging -- no.

If it might present a solution -- def.

If it might present education then it depends upon to whom one is speaking/writing and how much energy one wants to expend.
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11 posted 06-10-2004 09:05 PM       View Profile for muted   Email muted   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for muted

i take the "easy" way out on this one...
i strive to do what doesnt harm myself or someone else (which means i put loads of thought into everything i do)...but i will still make mistakes, say the wrong things, do the wrong things...but...kamma will take care of the tally (be sure of that).

sometimes we dont know we are doing the "wrong" thing..therefore, we cannot ask ourselves "should we do this or not" ya know?

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I remember once when a made a deliberate choice to take advantage of my anger. I knew it would give me more courage. I miscalculated the stupid factor. My public apology, the next day, matched my public display. I think Janet Marie's dad was pretty right!

If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.

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"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
--Thumper
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depends on how often you like having your foot in your mouth.... :-)
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Yeah, but sometimes, some people have just GOT to be told.

(later you can worry bout the consequence)


p.s, but I guess it just depends.

The clouds never expect it when it rains, but the sea, changes colour, but the sea, does not change.
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16 posted 06-11-2004 08:50 PM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

Don't know if this applies exactly, but seems to be speaking of similar situations?


"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace.  When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive"  (Proverbs 17:28)


"A fool has no delight in understanding, but in expressing his own heart"  (Proverbs 18:1)


"A fool vents all his feelings, But a wise man holds them back." (Proverbs 29:11)



There may be some wisdom in these everyone (including, not the least, myself) could glean.  


Stephen.

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17 posted 06-11-2004 08:55 PM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

Here's one that's a little more comprehensive ...


"There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven ... a time to be silent, and a time to speak" (Ecclesiastes 3:1,7)


I guess that means that it would depend, wouldn't it?  No universal rule ... just discretion.

Stephen.
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18 posted 06-11-2004 08:57 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out, and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln

Love that!

I had tons of friends in school and I truly believe it was because I was a good listener.  Little did they realize I was biting my tongue.  

Now I am afraid I do speak my mind and do whatever feels good to do, as in the end I have to face me each day for my actions.  I have two sayings that rule this though, one is, "I start where I want to finish," and the other is, "Will I still be bugged by this next year?"  If the answer to the second is yes, then darn right I speak up, and take action, if not, it is "small stuff" and I just let it go.  This is the Sharon Philosophy and it works for moi.

Descretion is the better part of valor they say?
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19 posted 06-12-2004 01:25 AM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

damned if you do, the same if you don't
sometimes, silence is worth it's weight in gold
????
so, does that help any?
'prolly not'
I have been told I talk too much
but I've also been told I don't stand up for myself and speak out when I should

so go figure

as long as you speak the truth, Ser, you cannot feel guilty about what the listener hears
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20 posted 06-12-2004 03:57 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Okay, here is the quote that brought on the question--

"If we have a lack of desire or lack of will to act we will (then) forfeit our evolution. The person whose desires are so feeble that he believes in peace at any price and gives up his will to anyone who cares to wrangle with him, is a good example. That is not noble at all. It is only feebleness of desire or lack of vitality. TO DESIRE BADLY IS BETTER THAN NOT TO DESIRE AT ALL."

Well, that's what got me started thinking--this put me at odds with myself for personal reasons, and yes, there's more, and forgive me for the "hit and miss" of this--it's not very well thought out--just an excerpt of something I've been reading while I sit in front of a fan cooling off these long hot summer daze.

(Oh crikey, it ain't summer yet, huh?)

sigh.
And yes, I'll reveal the source of the quote.

Later. That's okay, isn't it?

and stephan, hugs...I'm catching up to catching up with you.

Your hotsauce is a hit with the friends and family!

(more about that later)

hugs all.

I'll be reading replies with interest soon.
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21 posted 06-16-2004 02:02 AM       View Profile for Stephanos   Email Stephanos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Stephanos's Home Page   View IP for Stephanos

Serenity,


I'm glad "Y'awl" are enjoyin my fiery sauce.  To say it's a hit in Louisianna (sp?) is an honor indeed.


I still think that the Habenero is the only original fruit (except maybe for that knowledge of good and evil one) that managed to survive since Eden.  They are heavenly to me.  

Stephen.
 
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