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croyles
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0 posted 04-19-2004 07:19 PM       View Profile for croyles   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for croyles

The originating word from the word "Evolution" is intertwined with several different words that form the meaning "unfold".

Therefore I conclude that the creater of this word must have known a great deal more about evolution than most people who studied in the same area who started a great deal later. The meaning of this word is correct, I think, because we humans have had our potentials since our very first days, all we are doing through life is finding tools and new ways of unleashes this potential.

Therefore no one has a BAD brain, but someone CAN have an untrained brain.

Scientific fact (fairly new): we only use 5% (average) of our brain.

What are your thoughts on evolution?
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1 posted 04-19-2004 07:52 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

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Scientific fact (fairly new): we only use 5% (average) of our brain.


No, that's a myth.
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2 posted 04-19-2004 08:01 PM       View Profile for croyles   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for croyles

i dont know where you get your resources from but it sounds pretty true.
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3 posted 04-19-2004 09:01 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html

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4 posted 04-19-2004 09:06 PM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

From what I have studied, I definitely believe in the evolution process of the humankind.

"I have gone away. The bed is cold and empty. Trees bend their boughs toward the earth. And nighttime birds float as black faces.

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Brad is correct it is a myth, its roots partly lie from a time before the human brain had been fully mapped and its processes understood.

There is a fantastic book I think you'd enjoy on this very topic. The Future of the Human Body by Michael Murphy is full of information/history as well as offering some interesting theories on human potential and what may lie ahead.

By the way, little known fact, Darwin, never used the term evolution. Darwin stated 'descent with modification' and only used the word evolved as the last word in his Origin of the Species...well I found it interesting    shrugs
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Now what are we going to use as an excuse?
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7 posted 04-19-2004 11:18 PM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

I, for one, believe that humans do not understand nor have used the total use of their brains. Many "outer-body" experiences" the beliefs in "spirits" are a part of the brain's imagination.

"I have gone away. The bed is cold and empty. Trees bend their boughs toward the earth. And nighttime birds float as black faces.

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8 posted 04-20-2004 09:14 AM       View Profile for croyles   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for croyles

maybe its not 5%, but i do definetly believe that we dont use our whole brain yet, if we use all of our brain, how do you explain the fact that we are getting more intelligent all the time???

Brad, thats the worst website ive ever seen!!!!! Just because we might only be using 10% of our brain doesnt mean its all swept neatly into one corner. It was completly biast too, no trustworthy source is that biast.
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Well, because we are able to record our findings for posterity, subsequent generations don't have to reinvent the wheel every 40-50 years.  We're not necessarily getting more intelligent as much as we're building our knowledge base.  We're not getting smarter ... our tools are getting better.

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Huh? It's a subsection of nueroscience for kids. If there is a bias (and there always is), it's a bias for honest science.

Who is getting more intelligent?
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what do you mean "who is getting more intelligent"? We are, because of what me AND jbouder said. jbouder, yes we are learning to use our tools better, to let our intelligent side out, that was my point as i already mentioned it in my original post, I didnt think it would be necessary to mention that again. But I dont think all our modern thoughts have only evolved from our advanced knowledge base. Knowledge is important, every single judgement is made by knowledge, even if its only a speck.

Now you might think: Why would evolution not just GIVE us the full potential of our brain?

Cells are not GOD.

"Furthermore, from an evolutionary point of view, it is unlikely that larger brains would have developed if there was not an advantage."

When have you ever seen something perfect? I dont think growling apes needed what we have today, but after years and years, trying not to become extinct and using tools to assure we wont.

I am no scientist, and i definetly cant say im an expert at this, but all I believe is that we havnt managed to use the full capacity of our brains.
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It would be difficult to prove that we are getting more intelligent. It is obvious, however, that we are getting more knowledgeable. As jbouder pointed out, each generation is able to build upon the knowledge of their predecessors. The fact that we are able to do that is certainly a sign of intelligence. But our distant ancestors also had that same capability. They just didn't have the already accumulated knowledge base to start from.
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That is a good point, but I think the rate at which how well we can pick up things raises constantly; We didnt become so prosporous only because there is more knowledge in the world to pick from, but also because we pick it up easier and faster than however many decades or centuries ago.
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If anything, I would suspect the opposite is true. Where are the Newtons and da Vincis of today? The accumulation of knowledge has led to an age of specialization exactly because we can't personally absorb information any easier or faster. The Renaissance Man appears to be extinct.
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Ron how about Stephen Hawking? I think they exist it's simply a matter of coverage. Science, and the things that matter, rarely get coverage in modern media which means its not human capabilities but human values that limit a new rennaisance.

Think about the internet and communications techonolgy, at no time in human history since Alexandria or the Rennaiscance has a wealth of information been so readily available to humans but what are we doing with it?

It's a matter of focus, I think humans are capable of incredible transformation and now is a great time to plant its seeds. At the same time it can be equally argued that the internet and other technologies are leading to our regression.

This is where survival of the fittest comes into play, the fittest will evolve from this and the rest will fade. I hope.
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are you sure it's a myth?

the 10% theory would sure explain some of the people i've encountered.
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Christopher:

I think the problem is that some people spend all their time trying to use the 90% that doesn't work.

Jim
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Let us not forget that it is those who reproduce most successfully that beget the most survivors.  That is not about intelligence.  It is about leaving the most survivors.
Ironic in these times, that those who seem to have a consciousness about the state of human overpopulation are not the ones reproducing the most children.  That at least suggests an inevitability of a human population crash.
Then, of course, there is that other human element, the possibility of the intelligent ones, though fewer in reproductive numbers, "suppressing" the more populus genetic pool.  Perhaps the intelligent can survive.
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Nah Chris they use it all, but 100% of nothing is still a 100%
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quote:
Ron how about Stephen Hawking?

An absolutely brilliant man, Raph. Genius, even. But seemingly still a specialist?

quote:
It's a matter of focus, I think humans are capable of incredible transformation and now is a great time to plant its seeds. At the same time it can be equally argued that the internet and other technologies are leading to our regression.

If you're talking about society, I can't necessarily disagree. I don't think you're describing individuals, though. Always remember Sturgeon's Law: Ninety percent of everything is crap.

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the 10% theory would sure explain some of the people i've encountered

Ever use 100 percent of a philips screwdriver on a ten-penny nail? Me, either, but I suspect the results would be very similar to using only 10 percent of the screwdriver.


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quote:
"Furthermore, from an evolutionary point of view, it is unlikely that larger brains would have developed if there was not an advantage."

When have you ever seen something perfect? I dont think growling apes needed what we have today, but after years and years, trying not to become extinct and using tools to assure we wont.


I get the distinct feeling that you feel there's some kind of far flung purpose to evolution. The only way I can imagine what you present is something like saltationism (massive shifts in the genome creating new species virtually over night), but that's not evolution.  As has been pointed out by Aenimal and Crawdad, evolution doesn't work by magic.  

You ask, why wouldn't evolution give us the full potential of our brains?

But the question misses the point of why we have a larger brain at all.  Given the amount of energy that goes into actually using this gray stuff in between our ears, it doesn't make sense, from an evolutionary perspective, to see it as only partially used.

Two quick questions:

1. When you say potential, the potential to do what?

2. Isn't it your turn to offer a website, a scientific one, that backs up your claims?
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22 posted 04-20-2004 06:11 PM       View Profile for croyles   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for croyles

Brad, whats your problem? f*** this im outta here.
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23 posted 04-20-2004 06:24 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Did you post in the wrong place?
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I dunno about getting smarter--but I have definitely gotten quieter...

(or izzat more quiet?)



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