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Local Rebel
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50 posted 04-22-2004 05:44 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Actually the jury is kind of moving on.

But Hawkings did something even more important than appear on the Simpsons... He was ON (not drawn) Star Trek Next Gen...
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51 posted 04-22-2004 07:22 PM       View Profile for croyles   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for croyles

anyone read the books (forgot the author) that revolves around Newton solving murders with his science? I didnt, but they sound good.
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52 posted 04-26-2004 12:49 AM       View Profile for Local Parasite   Email Local Parasite   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Local Parasite's Home Page   View IP for Local Parasite

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Perhaps we need a philosophy lite forum for new members -- let's face it -- how many of us are at 101?  


This is very true.  Or there could be a "read before posting to get some idea of where people in this forum are at" disclaimer.

I came around here with a different username when I was younger and got laughed out.  Even now I only speak up from time to time.

Sigh... smart people are so intimidating.
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53 posted 04-26-2004 06:24 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

I'm not sure I understand what people are asking for. If you look at other philosophy forums, their 'primers' are really nothing more than surveys of surveys. I don't see how that can help anybody.

Perhaps, philosophy isn't really about being smart, but more about being able to withstand being called stupid.
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54 posted 04-26-2004 09:17 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Well I wasn't seriously suggesting that Brian.. but, I was hinting that we ought to look at a person's capacity before pouncing on them with everything we have.

Old story about a farmer who shows up for church one Sunday and he's the only one there besides the preacher -- the preacher tells him they might as well go home -- but the farmer says that if only one of his cows were to show up at feeding time he'd still feed him.

The preacher goes on with his whole sermon and an hour later the farmer gets up, puts his hat on, thanks the preacher and says -- "well -- I said I'd feed that cow but I wouldn't give him the whole load of corn."

Not a perfect analogy -- but maybe you can see where I'm going with this.

I'm not real fond of Brad's take on this either because I don't see where calling someone stupid gets us anywhere -- or having the resiliancy to withstand being called stupid, in not so subtle terms, since -- after all -- it is verbotten here..

I had a conversation not too long ago with someone who didn't think they were cut out for philosophy because -- fill in the blank here -- to which my reply was -- she was perfectly cut out for it because she comes to it with questions instead of ideas.

As soon as we become enamored with an idea we're a step further from truth.  We should be looking at the aesthetic of the idea instead of it's rightness or wrongness.  And be ready to learn something from everyone.

Sometimes we don't know enough about a new person so we have to feel them out a little bit -- in this particular case I was really pointing to the fact that the thread originator may have indeed wandered over the line (which I hadn't seen when I made my initial post) but that perhaps those of us who regularly haunt the place are a little bit culpable -- ultimately though-- he, or she, is responsible for his/her own behaviour -- but they still may not be getting what they expected based on the name of the forum.

Doesn't it get boring watching me and Stephen go at it all the time?  We need some different perspectives -- that's all.
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55 posted 04-27-2004 01:10 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Hmmm, except that's not what I meant. I was thinking more along the lines of discussion as a dialectic. As the process continues, ideas get better and the originator worries less and less about ownership of said idea.

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56 posted 04-27-2004 02:08 AM       View Profile for Local Parasite   Email Local Parasite   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Local Parasite's Home Page   View IP for Local Parasite

The internet is terrible---I really should have used a winking smiley.

I think Brad's just proposing we take a bit of a socratic attitude towards discussion in here, instead of coming in and saying "THIS is what I think!" having a sincere attitude towards seeking out truth, or whatever---

Although sadly, I do see a lot of people simply yammering back and forth trying to prove how right they are, but I won't name names...

LR, I see what you're saying and fully appreciate it... I wasn't complaining so much as I was agreeing with the fact that it's unfortunate how many people are scared away rather than guided into this forum.  Although I (and I imagine most new members) lack the devotion to any topic I see in here to spend as much of my time engaged in discussion as you two, for example, do.

Which I don't mean as an insult, I'm just a bit busy in my camel stage---
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Truth is difficult to ascertain, perhaps even unattainable. The path towards truth, however, is usually predictable, especially the first few steps on the path, and is often littered with clichés long since explored and discarded. "There is no spoon," only sounds profound the first few hundred times it's been heard.

I doubt Philosophy 201 would take us any closer to any truth. It would probably just exchange one set of clichés for another set.
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quote:

Hmmm, except that's not what I meant. I was thinking more along the lines of discussion as a dialectic. As the process continues, ideas get better and the originator worries less and less about ownership of said idea.



No arguments with that -- and if that's what you said -- so be it (but I've looked at your post upside down and sideways -- and shook it even -- and I couldn't find that in there )

quote:

Truth is difficult to ascertain, perhaps even unattainable.

  

Is that true?  

But, no -- I don't think 201 would even get us different cliche's -- all I'm suggesting is that if a man stumbles into a saloon and mouths off that he's the fastest gun in town without even knowing who's in the saloon -- if Wild Bill happens to be sitting in the corner -- he's under no obligation to come out slinging. If the guy actually starts drawing down on people -- then -- it's a different story.  But -- if it's a 12 year old kid -- that's another story altogether.

That said, and what Brian said -- how do we get people to be not afraid?

Um.. Brian...Camel stage?
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