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Opeth
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25 posted 05-17-2003 11:12 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

It is believed by many (not a majority) that it was through contact with alien beings which gave man his uniqueness - including his ability to think then create.

There are many marvels of past civilizations that even today, we cannot imagine, "How did they do or know that?"
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26 posted 05-17-2003 11:44 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

I was watching the Discovery Channel awhile back and they told of the history of an ancient civilization that archeologists had uncovered (I can't remember the name, dagnabit)...anyway this civilizations's main city or thoroughfare was landscaped to be in perfect unison with various astrological phenomenoa (can't remember particulary that part either), but the point is this...

It would take our greatest calculators and mathematical minds to be able to erect the same type of city, today.

How'd they do that?

They sure didn't have calculators back then.

[This message has been edited by Opeth (05-17-2003 11:45 AM).]

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27 posted 05-17-2003 03:24 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

Occam's Razor.
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Opeth:

We've learned much about ancient civilization in the past 100 years, but we still don't know all that much.

Building on what Ron wrote, isn't it more probable that these cultures produced mathematic savants ... their own "Rain Men" so to speak?  This would also explain why, even when advanced mathematics was practiced by these cultures, they remained very superstitious and never developed a sophisticated philosophy.

Applying Occam's Razor, perhaps autistic savants showed them how to do that.

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Applying the razor to the complexity of Occam's Razor I believe Opeth prefered the KISS method.  As I recall.

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30 posted 05-18-2003 07:57 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

With what we don't know about past civilizations and the "How'd they do that?" question, I don't see the savant theory or the alien theory being much different in simplicity.

Judge Judy rules!

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Except that savants exist today (I've actually met several), and I have yet to meet ET.  The "Where are they now?" question complicates the alien hypothesis.

By the way ... I'm not suggesting that autistics are responsible for the mathematical accomplishments of the ancient world ... only that it is more simple of a hypothesis than believing that little green men taught the ancient Egyptians how to build giant stone pyramids.

There is also this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2988647.stm

Judge Judy may rule, but her rulings are subject to appeal.

Jim
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Well, if you were an advanced, intelligent life form would you come here to meet us?

Yesterday is ash, tomorrow is smoke; only today does the fire burn.
Nil Desperandum, Fata viem invenient

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comic relief ... thanks.

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Actually, Earth was created so that mice could us humans as lab animals, upon which to run a massive experiment.

The answer was 42.
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hush:

If 42 is the answer, what is the question?

That takes me back.

Jim
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Jim,

What number is the event horizon of old-age, the geriatric threshold?

I can say that...
I'm only 31 BTW.



Stephen.
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37 posted 05-21-2003 07:28 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

"comic relief ... thanks."

~ I thought the whole "Alien" segment was commically relieving.

~ It was probably the savants, but how did they become savants....maybe through the powers of ET beings?  

[This message has been edited by Opeth (05-21-2003 07:29 AM).]

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Jim, isn't that what the mice were trying to figure out? It's like Jeopardy...
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Stephen:

I don't think Brad will appreciate being called a geriatric.  You better edit your post before he sees it.

Opeth:

Regarding savants, I've actually seen theories less credible than your alien idea.

Hush:

I think the question is "How many bottles are in 1-3/4 cases of beer?"

Jim
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"Nature wants us to balance not to excess"

Sir Essorant, Is the word "homeostasis" that you want to say?

A excellent topic.

Tom
 
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