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25 posted 04-17-2003 11:27 AM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

I don't feel it the same.  Humans mostwhat only care about human and their thoughts, what is human more than the rest of the world, the state of native earth, and other fellow earthlings/beasts, and having care and spare for all things around; and this is because we follow the agenda now a day more for business and technology--the highmost priority is MORE, more money and conviences and entertainment.   People aren't worried about the lack of nature and civilization how these are being put only into the most isolated areas where technology and business are the main landscape, they are worried about amounts of money, getting more and doing more quicker.  We should slow down and appreciate and cultivate what we already are, do, and have.. The pace is really destructive for that we aren't able to very much...This is what I mean when I say unnatural--it is the hindership of selfishness and excess.  It is not really worldly plan, it is a human plan, but eventually we will just have to realize we will have to think more of the rest of the world aside from our own for its not going to get larger to accomodate more humanworld--we are going to have to downsize our human settings to revive nature and civilization...when things are in excess nothing is natural and civilized, nothing is healthy.  It would be better to just have some spare to begin with...but people aren't interested.  We don't want to change the human world for the rest of the world, we want to change the rest of the world for the human world.

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26 posted 04-19-2003 03:15 AM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush


I think the biggest problem I'm having with you assertions about the humanity of today vs. the humanity of yesteryear is that you seem to think there's really a difference.

"Our ancestors sought cultivation and we should too.  I just don't follow the whole modern fashion of today--to seek MORE of everything all the time."

I really don't see how you think this is only a modern concept. All those great men we read about in history books- Marco Polo, Christopher Columbus, Henry Hudson, Magellen, etc., etc... they wanted MORE. More glory, more money, more land. I mean, the imperialistic nature of humans has long been apparent, and if you have a problem with that tendency, I can see that as a valid complaint- it bothers me too. But to assert that the good ol' days were free of such activities and intentions doesn't jibe with me.

"Humans mostwhat only care about human and their thoughts, what is human more than the rest of the world"

Why do you think this is wrong? I'm not trying to say that it is or isn't, just wondering why you state it in such a way that it seems presupposed that we'll all agree that it's wrong. Does a lion care for a gazelle over itself? Does a gazelle care enough for a lion to donate its life for the lion?

I would say that because humans have the capacity to destroy the world, we have a vested interest in preserving it- for our own well-being, if for nothing else. Self-interest is natural and, in my opinion, healthy- it's when greed masks our ability to see what is our self interest, both individually and, to whatever extent, collectively, that we become self destructive.
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27 posted 04-19-2003 09:43 PM       View Profile for Ringo   Email Ringo   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ringo

This is in reply to the original post that started the thread...
I used to enjoy the epic poetry of days gone past, and had made several attempts at replicating the form... right up until I was assigned the task of analyzing the poetry of William Wordsworth. That boy didn't know the meaning of brevity. After spending 4 months reading everything he had written, and analyzing the what's why's who's and everything else, I came to realize that I couldn't care any less if I never saw a poem that was more than 2 lines long. Perhaps one day I'll attempt the form again, however that is why I have never attempted it.

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