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Essorant
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Do you believe in Ghosts?
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Should I?

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No.
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er why not?
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What do you mean by ghost?
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When I think of "Ghost" I imagine the soul as a body in of itself detached from nature and doomed to hover along with no feeling but the feeling of wanting feeling...endlessly the deadlong day and night trying to muster and retain some light to be seen but unable and dismissed forgotten by beholders . Do you think that this is a punishment and that ghosts actually are serving there time around us and touching into our daily activities?  
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No, I personally don't believe in ghosts....but if I say that out loud they'll try to prove me wrong!
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"er why not?"

~ Was that question directed towards me?
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I think we are the ghosts and the ones that we think to be ghosts are humans...

Sometimes I do a lot of lateral thinking (or whatever!!!)

Regards,
Sudhir

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I don't think of ghosts in the way you described them. But do I think spirits visit us? Do I think they can walk among us? Yes, to a point. I think they can and do. I don't think it's a punishment though. I think it's a need for us more than for them. To have them visit. I don't think they get "stuck" either. I think they do have emotions and can feel. I could make this really long and drawn out, but I won't LOL, I have kids' faces to paint
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SEA--your description makes me think on angels...

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Sudhir--that's very humancentric though...what about other animals?  Aren't they or don't they have ghosts?  Don't they see ghosts?  

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er, why not
~ Was that question directed towards me?

Yes Opeth... it was.
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quote:
When I think of "Ghost" I imagine the soul as a body in of itself detached from nature and doomed to hover along with no feeling but the feeling of wanting feeling...endlessly the deadlong day and night trying to muster and retain some light to be seen but unable and dismissed forgotten by beholders . Do you think that this is a punishment and that ghosts actually are serving there time around us and touching into our daily activities?
Well ... my belief doesn't follow your explanation - (not that I think you're wrong ... only that it's a different view of understanding than mine.)

My perception is personally based on facts present in my own realm of belief and first-hand knowledge of Spirits who make themselves known to me~

My belief is one of openess to be the receptor for the Spirits to come and gift me with knowledge of their existence~ (and they do)

I personally haven't found that any of them feel they are caught in a 'punishment' state of being~

In my understanding 'angels' represent a separate identity all together ... that's not to say that 'some' of the visitations aren't 'angelic' in nature ... only that they are a different entity in my perceptions~

Very interesting discussion ... thank you~
Sincerely~
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Because believing in ghosts defies logic.
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I find often the vagueness of the heart and gut alone are more accurate than the detailed and millioned articulations the mind conveys out in thoughts, that, become and make very narrow the belief-way.   The heart and gut have the boundless capacity that the truth deserves, better fitting and observing.  In thoughts many will probably not believe in ghosts, for they sound very ridiculous to the mechanics of mind and reason.  But in the heart, we can oft know there something, but just can't translate it well enough for the more narrow discoures of the mind--this is the impediment of truth--just because it doesn't fit into reason, we will tend to dismiss it and call it unreal or not a parcel of it.  I believe there is something verily there, that is alive and spiritual, but if its one thing or many things, a seperate entity or only of us, is one's own opinion I ween. We have so many names, words, thoughts...there has to be something there.  If it is spirit perhaps we have to learn to observe more with the spirit though it may not fit into our present state of discourse/reasoning.

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Essorant,

I don't believe in "spooks" or "ghosts" in the folkish way of fictional lore... like in ghost stories, or scary movies.  However I do believe in Spirits in the sense that we as humans have a spiritual entity which is neither mind, nor body.  It is that which is the most essential "life" within us.  It is that which is created in the image of God.  To say I believe in Spirits is to say that I believe that our life can be separated  from our body.  However I don't believe it is (for the most part) permited for us to stay in the terra firma after death.  Hebrews tells us "It is appointed for man to die once and after this, the judgement".  
     People who experience Spirit communication, may be experiencing angelic, or even demonic beings.  Scripturally this is another non-human order of life.  Demons I believe can pose as people, lost relatives, or "angels of light".  The occult is a dangerous area with which to tamper.  That's why the Bible forbids Spiritism.  To worship God only is the best thing to do.  Of course these things are marvelous to ponder.  I just think without some revelation of truth, we may run into folk-lore, demonism, or metaphysical absurdity.  
     But ultimately I believe in spirits because this is the essential being of us all, made in God's image.  Without it, you have thoroughgoing naturalism/ materialism.  Every thought, emotion, even things such as love, fear, friendship and humor, are only chemical reactions in the cortex... unless we have a maker and an element created in his image.  


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what about "ghosts" as the electrical residue of someone? thoughts are what make a person a person. thoughts are electrical signals run through your brain. the energy has to go somewhere when the body passes on, perhaps sometimes the electrical currents stick around and mix with [your] electrical currents, giving you the impression of the person as they were.

thoughts (electrical impulses / ghosts) to consider.
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"But in your heart, you know there is something, you just can't translate it well..."

~ In whose heart...yours? You said, "But in your heart..."

Not in mine.
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Yes.
Even if there are no free spirts, there are many types of ghosts

~The ghosts of your past

~The ghosts of those close to you, you can always feel them, even if is not them, they are just, I don't know, there.

So yes, I do belive in ghosts
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Opeth? I defy logic too.

Do you not believe in ME?





just call me--the "spirit of fun"--  

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My belief is openly scizophrenic, how can one keep one mind or personality in such a cloudy subject or notion as "Ghosts".   It is flipflopping and ticklishy amid many.   I can't decide how to believe in ghosts, though I feel certain I do believe in them. Though I have some difficulty with a complete segration of nature and ghost, good and evil, demon and angel, heaven and hell.  It seems there must be always a bit of either in other.  Though one of these aspects might become evanid or faint to a point where it is unvisible to most observers, even to the owner.  Often when we think in these notions, it seems,  we will call seperate entities the various personalities and attributes of our own ghost to say that we don't have a personal relationship with these qualities, but they are intruders from another realm.  There are some evils in all of us, aren't there?  Are they seperate ghosts? I don't believe more strongly that they are than that they are probably just nature.  To me most of the time, all bodies, ghostly and wordly, are bodies of nature, the foundation of one realm, not special exempted segregations where some are inside nature and some outside, or inside good and outside.  I said "detached" from nature earlier but that was more imagination speaking.  Segregation or seperation is an aspect of a human plan, not a divine or natural one, we are all part of everything and everything is part of us--there is no escaping nature, we have it and all its potentials, forever, only able to partialy control what fully controls our fate.  And Isn't this how and where we learn, in and at much friction of differences, ghostly and wordly?  If there was no friction would we feel anything at all?

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Opeth,
There is no "your" in my paragraph...you must be seeing things... Ghosts???    

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Yes.
Wind wrote:

quote:
Even if there are no free spirts, there are many types of ghosts

~The ghosts of your past

~The ghosts of those close to you, you can always feel them, even if is not them, they are just, I don't know, there.

So yes, I do belive in ghosts


I was hoping someone was going to bring this up. I wish people would follow this point up. It's far more interesting than the idea of supernatural entities.
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I like Winds comment because he notices the "feeling" aspect, ghosts aren't invisible to all senses, they are touching  ones we sometimes did't even know we had.
 
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