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Essorant
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25 posted 11-07-2002 08:47 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant



[This message has been edited by a Ghost (11-07-2002 08:48 PM).]


[This message has been edited by Essorant (11-07-2002 08:53 PM).]

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26 posted 11-07-2002 09:39 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Brad?!    I will call the ghostbusters on you.  Please put my message back, if you can
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27 posted 11-07-2002 10:43 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Huh, I'm not a Ghost, I didn't do it, honest. Hmmm, maybe there's something to this supernaturual thing after all.

Nah,

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eh......  I don't like to make any commitments about ghosts.  But I generally don't believe the things people say on tv documentaries about ghosts.  After all, there's a sucker born every minute.  I like to make sure I wasn't the lucky guy back in the minute I was born in 1981.

"If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh"

-- Magus

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29 posted 11-08-2002 08:54 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

"Opeth? I defy logic too.

Do you not believe in ME?"


~ Of course, the entity known as Serenity, I have seen your picture and read your words.

It is the belief in ghosts that defy logic.

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30 posted 11-11-2002 12:28 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

I don't agree with you.  The cycle of nature itself seems Ghosts rising between bodies, and bodies rising between ghosts.  They are as much bodies and  entities as bone vessels and shells.  They are what give animation to matter, the energy given form and personality, our souls, and the souls that exist between our souls, they are ghostly bodies.  
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31 posted 11-11-2002 12:52 PM       View Profile for Wind   Email Wind   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Wind

I do believe in ghosts.

"Sticks and stones will break my bones,
But words will break my heart"

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It doesn't surprise me that "suffering souls" would draw the interest of so many people here.  In a sense, "suffering souls" have turned out some of the most prominent works of literature, philosophy and art of modern times.  Hesse, Nietchze and Van Gogh come readily to mind ... the expression of their respective losses continue to impact us today.

Which makes me wonder how much the "ghosts" that haunt us drive our creativity and thinking and how we, in this forum, express our feelings of loss or our restlessness in accepting loss.  

Not sure if anyone will jump on these thoughts, but they're out there now ...

Jim
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33 posted 11-12-2002 01:28 AM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

"Though a good deal is too strange to be believed, nothing is too strange to have happened."
--Thomas Hardy

I agree with this saying.  I feel ghosts often seem too strange to be believed or to fit into what we have compact as logic, but that doesn't mean they aren't there.  
As Jim attends, the speculation upon ghosts have gotten a hand over the centuries of thought and art.  I don't think it will ever let go, a belief in ghosts gives more personality to life, thats why I prefer believing to not believing.

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34 posted 11-13-2002 02:05 AM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

It is a very uncunning superstition entertained that ghosts don't exist.
What are we talking about here, if we are not talking about something that exists?  Nothing?  Have poets, playwrights, philosphers, supernaturalists, any one who has ever felt, thought, said and written "ghost" been refferring to nothing?  It is like pointing a finger at air and saying that that people call that is not really that it is not existing. It is nothing- believe in nothing instead!  This elixes no fullfilling essence but empties the glass of light and colour.

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Essorant - what you're suggesting is that because someone's written about it, referred to it, it exists?

Other things / entities / people commonly referred to by poets, playwrites, etc.: Zeus, Horus, Buddha, Christ, telekenisis, aliens, spirit, Death (as an entity, not the physical actuality), Fate, Mother Nature, Cupid...

Just because someone's referred to it, often or not, doesn't mean it is or has existed. That's why it's called fiction.
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36 posted 11-13-2002 04:09 AM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

...because someone's written about it, referred to it, it exists?


It must!  
You cannot point at something that is not existing, that is paradoxal.  It is existing or you wouldn't be to refer to "it" to say it is not existing.  We can attend it, talk about it, wonder about it, there for it exists!


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if you're saying it exists as a concept, i agree. if however, as i feel you're suggesting, it exists as a reality in and of itself simply because someone's thought of it, i disagree completely.

show me - a Klingon, the Wizard of Oz, Superman, Luke Skywalker, Hades, Set, Tom Sawyer, blaster guns, laser swords, dragons, Ziggy Stardust, dinosaurs at the center of the earth, a time machine... ghosts?

they're all concepts, not realities. we make things up to suit our fancies, our desires, our hopes, or our beliefs. yet that we dream of them doesn't bring them into being.

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quote:
You cannot point at something that is not existing, that is paradoxal.
This is a good topic for another thread, i think - if it hasn't already been addressed.

I disagree with you on both counts, however. Your idea is right, but i think the actuality is wrong. I can point at something that's non-existent, because i have the imagination to do so. again, it's called fiction... or dementia, if you want to look at it from another viewpoint.

then again, i have issues with the concept of 'paradoxical.'
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39 posted 11-13-2002 02:12 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

"I can point at something that's non-existent, because i have the imagination to do so"

That is more paradoxal sentence!  
You call a something non-existant--a nothing.  A thing cannot not exist--it is a thing, therefore it is existing, its existing makes it a thing, and its being a thing makes it existing.  It is not that complex, it is just the wordings that get mixed up here and there.  Things can only exist!

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