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The Napkin Writer
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0 posted 07-22-2002 10:46 AM       View Profile for The Napkin Writer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for The Napkin Writer

Critical States

I recently posted a reply to a piece written.  In my response, I made a reference to the 144,000, who are spoken of in the Book of Revelations.  A person responding to my response, (and not the poetry), gave the impression that they had no ideal what, or who, the 144,000 was, so I posted a scripture from the bible.  And sure enough, they returned to post a reply to my second reply, but this time, it was a scholarly answer.  But how could that be, from a person, which earlier, had no ideal of the 144,000?  

Maybe I was harsh in next reply, instructing the responder to “save it” but was I wrong?

People pour their hearts out on paper, and at these sites, often working their way through some awful trying times, to express their deepest emotions, only to have their renderings torn apart by someone who wants to give the impression that know what they are talking about!

I am all to familiar with this tactic.  Most of my life I sought social acceptance by pretending to know something that I really didn’t, so I sought answers from others, and made believe that they was my own answers!  Was I wrong, in responding as if I now knew something, about something, that I really knew nothing about?  Social acceptance is a hard thing, trying to give the world the appearance of being someone we’re not, and this, I do know about.  

"Sometimes when you admire others, or their deeds, more than you admire your own, we will do foolish things for their acceptance!"

Anyway, after my harsh reply, the responder edited their expert response, leaving my harsh reply standing alone as if I was some crazed maniac or something!  

And you know what, I left my response unedited! Why? Because it keep the dishonest criticizers away from my poetry and my responses! As for my harsh response, I’m sorry.  I could have been more constructive then that, there is no accuse!  

But what happens to all the onlookers, who can see my response?  Well, I can only say this, “every thing that I write, is from my soul, and I'll back it up with truth!”  So if you are going to be critical of what I write, please be aware of the truth and honesty, in my words, and my responses back to you.  And if I’m wrong, if I have wronged anyone, in any way, I’ll be man enough to say I’m sorry!  But you can rest assure, that I will never try to make myself look bigger than who I am, by trying make someone else look foolish, just so I can fit in!


Originally Yours,
The Napkin Writer

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"But what happens to all the onlookers, who can see my response?  Well, I can only say this, “every thing that I write, is from my soul, and I'll back it up with truth!”


~ Maybe with your truth, but certainly not mine.  
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The truth is the truth, regardless to who we are!  It doesn’t belong to you, me or anyone else to decide what truth is!  God made truth, and none of us can change that!  No matter how big and tuff we think we are!

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3 posted 07-24-2002 08:12 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

Whose God? Yours? Theirs? There is a God?
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There is only one!  Or do you know of another?
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5 posted 07-24-2002 02:41 PM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

I know of none. However, I know of people who hold many beliefs of what they know to be God. In fact, many of them are Christians who each speak of different Gods than the other Christian. Others that I know believe in a God that is not the Christian/s God.

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quote:
There is only one! Or do you know of another?


That’s interesting, are you saying that you believe that all religions worship the same God or that there is only one true God and only one true religion and if so which is the correct one?

And how do you know?
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quote:
Well, I can only say this, ¡°every thing that I write, is from my soul, and I'll back it up with truth!¡±  So if you are going to be critical of what I write, please be aware of the truth and honesty, in my words, and my responses back to you.


I'm certainly glad you tagged that honesty part there but what you've just said is that you write the 'truth'. Only later do you start talking about God's being the only truth -- a point that doesn't answer the question, it just keeps referring to a higher form of authority: "It's not me, you see, who knows the truth, it's God. I just follow God." This of course only changes your original statement slightly: Be aware that I know the truth through God and I will be honest. That's a big problem and it usually sets alarm bells going off in this forum.

Essentially, you're saying that you know the truth and your going to tell the truth so the rest of you better be careful. But that statement alone isn't the truth, it's only about the truth. To say 'The truth' is to evaluate a descriptive statement about a proposition; it doesn't in itself say anything, it's an assertion.

Nevertheless, I'm interested in a little more information on why you're upset, care to elaborate a bit? Perhaps by e-mail?
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I'm  not going to get into yet another "God/truth by whose standards" debate.... it's not worth my energy right now, it's an endless tug-o-war... but...

Not exactly sure if I'm playing devil's advocate or speaking from my own point of view yet, but...

Is there necessarily virtue in asserting truth as that, pure truth in an undisputable form? I think the trade of ideas is much more productive... saying we back things up with "truth" is really irrelevant, when the person you are talking to doesn't accept your perception of truth... I said recently in another thread that successful debates must be held on a common ground, and I stand by that. Let's say Person A is coming from a Christian's point of view, Person B from that of an Atheist. Presuming the debate is not explicitly about religion or spirituality... let's say it's about corporal punishment for children... Persons A and B are both intelligent, and both make good points. but if Person A uses biblical reinforcement for his argument, Person B may automatically consider the point invalid because he doesn't believe in biblical events and doctrines.

I don't even know that I know how this relates to the original topic. Sorry for rambling, if I've wasted anyone's time.

Who is John Galt?

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Having been born and raised a Catholic, attending Catholic school through High School graduation...entering the navy at the age 19...living in Florida in 1983, when a born-again Christian told me that every person in my family is going to hell because they were not "born again" (Catholics are not born again)...catapulted the beginning of my "truth" seeking journey.

Was his truth the truth? Was his God the same as my God?

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In the beginning, there is only one God, but man separated God by creating religions titles!

Paul, who was one of the followers of Christ, went about Rome teaching the teachings of Christ in the years following the resurrection of Christ.  As the population around Rome grew, the fathers of that time grew fearful of the number of people who now choose to follow the teachings of Christ.  Most of the people in these days were referred to simply as Christ followers.  

“The Roman government to quite the masses of the Roman citizenship who were now converting to the teachings of Christ created Christianity.”  Before Christ came into the world, a lot Romans worshiped idols!  

God had covenants with Abraham, Muhammad, and their generations, way before the birth of Christ; “and I’m not even sure if anyone can tell you the true religion of either of them!”  We can tell you what we believe them to be, because of the land they dwelled in, but I don’t believe anyone would be willing to stake their life on their religion!  It was only after the birth and resurrection of Christ that many started to jump on some sort of religious bandwagon.  I mean, what religion was Christ anyway?  He didn’t say this religion, or that religion will not get into Heaven, He said, no individual, will get into Heaven, unless they come through him!  The key word being “individual.”  

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him.  But he said to me, “see that you do not do that!”  I am your fellow servant, and your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus.  WORSHIP GOD!  For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

In chapter 19:9 of The Book of Revelation, the Angel has just told John how blessed those are, who are called to the great supper.   I’m no Biblical scholar, but this whole scenario tells me that as an individual, I must seek God on my own!  And for what’s happening right now in the Catholic Church, I would be careful of whom I let led me straight into hell!

Also you must remember is that even in those days, Romans lived in a democratic society, much like we live today; minus of course the technological advances.  In other words, people voted for their governmental leadership.  And just like today, a politician cannot isolate an entire race, cultural, or religious group, and hope to be elected to office.  I question rather the Roman government had good intention of really incorporating God in their culture, or was this “initially” a way to satisfy the growing masses of followers of Christ, who threaten particular political advancer!  When you’re dealing with a democratic society, where nations are governed by the vote, or the will of the people, political correctness can blind you from the truth.

For instance, I was born in “57,” and I was always taught that the Civil War was enacted to free slaves.  But later on as an adult, I learned that slaves were being tallied to use as political devises to swing elections toward southern politicians, and that the north, would rage war, before they would give another inch to these political tactics.  Since I know now that a lot of truth was hidden by the Christianity of that time, and blacks, who malnipulated the situation further, by omitting other truths.  What am I suppose to do now, keep on believing the lies that were integrated in our lives from the beginning, or do I seek out the truth for myself?  

As for me saying that I write the truth; what is meant there is that, my writings are real-life extensions of my experiences in my life.  They are centered around events of my personal history.  They themselves are true stories that I try to tell in poetic form.

"I'm not above anyone, but nither will I allow myself to be place below anyone, based on what I know is lies."  I'm not out to offend anyone, but the truth is the truth, and that's all there is to it!


Added:
I must say that you are right Opeth.  There are a lot of different religions worshiping, but if you look close, you will find that regardless of the culture, you will find they all have three things in common;

1). Ever culture mentions a superior God, regardless of how many other lesser gods may be mentioned

2). That there was a great flood event somewhere in their creation history

3). The mentioning of a son of their respective God, or an representative held as one might regard a son


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No. All religions don't believe in a superior being. Geez, where's Stephanopolous (Stepan) when you need him.

Mohammed came after Christ, not before.

Rome was not a democracy -- ever, it was a republic at the time of Christ. Not much like us at all.

Brad

PS Sorry for the spelling.
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'2). That there was a great flood event somewhere in their creation history'

Yes, of course... and I've heard (ach, I know, hearsay... not good base for making a point) that there is physical evidence on the Earth of a flood too... and why wouldn't there be?

Here's my problem... people seem to always tell me how the Bible's events and events as measured by historians coincide, so that makes the Bible true. Well, if people were writing a religion book they wanted people to believe, wouldn't they include natural phenomena/disasters, and attempt to explain them... i.e., God created a flood, but here's how Noah saved all the animals and propogated the human race while the sinners all drowned, etc.

What I'm saying is that I don't believe the Bible dictates reality- reality dictates the Bible.

Who is John Galt?

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Religous discussions never cease to both amaze me and draw me in, particularly when it comes to individual perceptions of "GOD".

If by defintion one means "the creator" etc... then one can't argue against the one "God" side, which by inference would lend credence to different ways (religons) to worship the same "God".

Then it becomes a matter of each religion saying it is worshiping "God" the way "God" dictated the world to do so and all the others are misguided and bound for that particular religion's version of hell.

I believe most people's concept of "God" is  as an all powerful, all knowing, all seeing, all everything being, and going on that belief system there could only be one such "God", if one believes at all.

After all, Zeus is dead isn't he?

J

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Zowee,

Lots of interesting talk here. First let me say I do respect everyone's beliefs whether I agree with or am against them. Christianity or belief in the current God is such a new thing in perspective with other ancient beliefs that well surpass Christianity in age. There are too many beliefs throughout the ages to count, this is due to the constant but slow evolution of religions in conjunction with political and societal change. What will be the belief a thousand years from now when we as a society in whole have more or less information to base our beliefs on? What will be the new God? There maybe one truth , one binding truth about existence(that truth might even be that there is no truth), whether it be god or science or both that explains it, unfortunately I can say with resounding conviction that none of us know it and if someone does, they haven't shared it. Or if one of the numerous theories are correct, no one has found a way to prove it. To even try to sum up billions upon billions of years, or even an eternity or a timeless thing, in small simple books or manipulated evidence written by people who, at the time, believed heavily in superstitions is utterly and hopelessly impossible. Unless of course a unification theory ends up being a three letter equation. To even think IF there is a God, we could have an understanding of what he/she/they think and what their purpose is seems ludicrous. That's like dust from a pebble describing the actions of a mountain. Just because it is written does not make it so. I mean some people use the arguement of scrolls, that the most scrolls found in that era were based upon God and what is now the modern bible. However, if fictionalized law stories or Stephen King stories were published in the nineties more than any other book, will our predecessors believe that is how we conducted our system of law or that we fought ghosts and demons? Damn, how many of us believed in Santa Claus as kids....well in comparative terms of knowing about existence we have yet to be concieved. But in my opinion what it really boils down to is everyone's struggle with their existence and the end of such. We want to believe that there is something better to look forward to other than simply death. And why not, its a good hopeful story. But the irony is, people get sooo worked up about it that they are willing to kill, destroy and maim each other to show how right they are, its an extreme but also a reality. Really, I don't know the purpose of my response other than me venting. Regardless what I say about God it won't change a damn thing. People will believe or not believe, some more when pressed with different ideas, some less. Maybe that's because individuals are just that, individuals. We all base our thoughts and feelings upon what we percieve. Maybe I haven't experienced the right things, or then again maybe others haven't and I have. Hell, I may even be the truly ignorant one and the 80 -90 percent of the world population who believe in some sort of organized religion may be right. Who knows? Why worry about that which we have no control over....And I shouldn't care but I can't stop from wondering what is this all about.

Thanks,

Trevor

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Yanno... being an agnostic and all... sometimes I'm not exactly sure which God it is that we can't be sure exists....
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In the beginning, there is only one God, but man separated God by creating religions titles!

The only thing I regard as being cast in stone, is what is written in the bible.
In the beginning there was the word.  And the word was with God.  


Not Jesus in the flesh, as a man.    Jesus Christ the man was born in what we called date “0000.”  I just can't get rather it was Dec 25, 0000, or Dec 25, 0001.  Rome was a democracy, no matter how you play with the words.


Do you know how one of our well respected scientist describe the turning of a few loaves of bread and fish into enough to feed 5000 men and their families?

He says, that when a child pulled his lunch from under his cloak, it triggered mass physiological hunger, and at that point over 5000 people remembered that they themselves, had a lunch under their cloaks as well!  


And there is another, that says, that the water levels would have been at a low point in Egypt because of the droughts, and that a strong hurricane like wind came and lifted these waters back, and as such Moses was able to lead thousands through its passage.  But it only lasted long enough to let Moses through.  “Oh boy, talk about timing”

Even after all the miracles Thomas had witnessed with his own sight, he still disbelieved Christ had risen from the dead.  

John 21:29
And Jesus said unto him, Thomas, because thou has seen me, thou believed; blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
    

Some of these stories of creation are so, so far fetched, that, well okay Zeus!

Greek Mythology –
Creation, the birth and generation of Zeus, up to the first man and woman

First there was confusion, then appeared (Erebus), the place of death, and night, (Nyx), and somehow love, (Eros) was born.  From love came light and day. Once there was light and day, the earth (Gaea) appeared.

Gaea gave birth to Uranus.  Then Gaea and Uranus produced three Cyclopes, three Hecatoncheires, and twelve Titans.  Uranus (the father) hated the Hecatoncheires, so he hid them in the earth, Gaea Womb.  Gaea became angry, and plotted with the youngest Titan, Cronus, to overthrow the father, Uranus.

Gaea and Cronus ambushed Uranus, cut off his genitals, and threw them into the ocean.  The myth is not clear what happen to Uranus, but it is believed that he went to Italy, where the blood of his split became Giants, the Ash Tree Nymphs, and Erinyes.  The sea foam, where his genitals had landed, became Aphrdite.

Cronus became the next ruler.  He imprisoned the Cyclopes and Hecatoncheires in Tartaus.  Cronus married his sister Rhea, and had six kids.  Gaea and Uranus prophesied that a son would overthrow Cronus, so Cronus ate his born at their birth.  Rhea became angry, and plotted to save their sixth child.  When it came time for the birth of the sixth child, she took the child to Crete, and then wrapped a stone in a swaddling cloth, and Cronus ate the stone.  Of course this child was Zeus.

The story goes on to tell of a great war on Mount Olympus, where the Cyclopes gave Zeus Lighten Bolts. Zeus used these bolts to win this war.  Atlas was punished to hold the world on his shoulders for going against Zeus.  Zeus learned how to control thunder and lighten, and struck down Typhoeus and buried his body under Mount Etna in Sicily.  The Giants was pilling mountain upon mountain, to reach Mount Olympus, but was defeated with the aide of Hercules, thus clearing the world of all monsters.

Zeus took Prometheus and Epimetheus, and charged them to create man.  Epimetheus was given the task of giving the creatures of the earth their qualities, but by time he got to man, all the good qualities were gone.  He turned to Prometheus for help, and Prometheus made man walk upright, and he gave man fire.  Because Prometheus loved man so, Zeus created Woman, but because of issues surrounding man’s sacrifices to the Gods of Olympus, Zeus took fire from man, but Prometheus gave back.  This enraged Zeus, so he had Hephaestus create Pandora, giving her many gifts, the final gift being a jar, which she was forbidden to open.  of course she opened the jar, and unleashed out flew plagues, sorrow and mischief, however, in the bottom of the jar was hope.  After that, the rest is history, and many people believe this story for centuries.  So people will believe whatever they choose, I guess, according to Greeks mythology or any other mytholgy.  By the way, Prometheus was regarded as the first rebel.

This is not the weirdest story of creation I ever had to do a paper on over the years, but it was one that I knew up with as a child, but I never knew it went this far.  

I think every ones belief has credibility, as long as it serves the purpose of the individual.

With that being said, God Bless!  Not Gods

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"In the beginning, there is only one God, but man separated God by creating religions titles!"


~ So if there is only one God, how could anyone believe that God is more than one? A trinity? The bible doesn't even have the word "trinity" in it. That was a manmade conception, evidently a newer version of ancient Egyptian religion's Rah and the Bah, of which Moses was quite familiar with, as he was raised an Egyptian.

"The only thing I regard as being cast in stone, is what is written in the bible."

~ The bible of course was written by men and in the Hebrew, Chaldean, and of course Greek text, in which much of it has been "slanted" by those who translated the original test into English. Many examples, I could expound on.

"In the beginning there was the word.  And the word was with God."  

~ An excellent example can be found in your above quote, I believe found in the beginning of the Gospel according to John...paraphrasing: In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God, it was the Word and God in the beginning...Where is the Trinity? If one reads this with an open mind it would appear the the "Godhead" is "twofold" in nature = The word and God.

"Not Jesus in the flesh, as a man.    Jesus Christ the man was born in what we called date “0000.”  I just can't get rather it was Dec 25, 0000, or Dec 25, 0001."


~ Come on man, haven't you read any history? The person, Jesus Christ, was not born anywhere near the 25 of December. If so, the Bible would prove to be fallible, as the shepards in the month of December, in Israel, are not tending their sheep at that time. It is widely known that Christ was born much closer to October to early November.

The December 25th celebration of his birthday came about during Constantine's rule...if you want to know more about this matter, read up on it or ask about it...funny how "Christmas" isn't in the bible?

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Ahhhhh... exactly what I needed today... how I love discussions like these! Thanks guys - all of you - for making my day.
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I am sorry... but though as serious as this is...

I find it absolutely hilarious... this whole topic about God and so on, that has been haunting Passions and also so many others in different degrees....

and about 144000 ... well looks like a nice number... guess what the numerologist have to say about this...

There is a theory that goes around like this "God is a man-made concept to bring about control in lives, but since God alone wans't enough, there had to be religion as a way of life to support the concept. Those who devised these systems also became the most powerful men in their times, and the documents of these systems are books like the Bible, originally written in the language then spoken and translated and mutilated over the years to each one's own perception.... and the same goes for other religious texts/scriptures/etc and so on"...

Well, more on that theory in about 30-40 years... till then, I will do myself a favour and spread a smile...  

Regards to all of you,
Sudhir

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20 posted 07-30-2002 09:43 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

Having the studied the bible and comparing the English translations with the original Hebrew & Greek, I came to the justifiable conclusion that those who translate, translate with subjectiveness, therefore twisting and changing the so-called truths of the original scriptures.
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Now you come on!  You know dog-gone-well I was not the one who originally said Christ was born on Dec. 25th, but that’s what I were taught, just like most everyone one else!  I know better than that, and so do you!  So just how do you propose changing what has drilled in so many of our heads from the beginning?  I mean who then become the liars?  Our parents, our church, our community, society, or do we stand back and say, wait–a-minute, they have been taught the same things, so what else did they have to teach, but what they themselves had been taught?  

Anyone can find flews in anyone else statements!  But, when you find those flews, you support what I’m trying to say!  

My whole point is; "we don't know what to believe half the time!”  Unless we weight our perception of what we believe to be the truth, and form our own individual truth, we will keep sucking up whatever anybody tells us!  That is one thing I can say about the people here at PIP, you don’t just settle for what others say, you question, and if need be, line by line; and that in itself is a good thing.  

The issues of faith are not proving someone, or a religion is wrong, it is about coming into your own, and forming your own God belief system!  A lot of replies here have touched on that, and we must not lose focus, that in the end we stand in judgment of our own accounts in life.

Thanks everyone for some interesting replies, I think every statement made here is relevant, whether I agree with that statement or not!  At least we can think for ourselves.....

Originally Yours,
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22 posted 07-30-2002 10:27 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

So then, do you believe in lies? If something so simple as the birth of a Saviour is lied about, how many more lies do you think are hidden below the surface?

I searched for the truth, but found mostly lies. But not only lies, for many are simply misinformed or naive or easily duped or misguided, and so on, however many of these people are sincere in thought and deed.  

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23 posted 07-30-2002 12:48 PM       View Profile for The Napkin Writer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for The Napkin Writer

"I’ve been lied to just like anyone else."

I’m no one special, that I should know something the rest of the world don’t!  And how do we come to know that we even been lied to in first place, unless that subject concerning that lie, comes into question?

I’m just like everyone else, trying to find some sort of reasoning in my existence.  One of the hardest things I have done in my lifetime is to admit that some of the things I come to learn in life have been based on lies.  And I’ve suffered through that a long time, trying to attach new meaning to a life I am just starting to live, to a person I’m just starting to know.  

Will I be lied to tomorrow, the next day, next year, or ten years from now?  Maybe, I’m sure I will!  But I know I can’t discount everything i going to hear, and I must keep on searching, even if it takes me the rest my life.  

Yes, I’ve been lied to over and again, but I’m proud to be able to stand here today and say that, because a few years ago I couldn’t say that, I wouldn’t say that!  I would have fought you to the bitter end, over lies, but today, I know better than that, we all know better than that, at least I hope we all know better.  

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24 posted 07-30-2002 01:04 PM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

I believe each person may or may not ever begin the journey of truth seeking. Those who do begin that journey do so in their own time and may or may not ever finish the journey.

I began the journey while I was a teenager, however I stopped frequently and hardly made any ground until I turned 24. At that age, I picked-up the pace tremendously and now at the age of 40, I am almost at finish line, I can see it in the distance, for sure.
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