The Napkin Writer
Where would you like me start? The bible is even inconsistent on the ressurection of its own saviour. It can't even get the day correct. This came to me with such ease, that I could not believe it. I had to read and reread it over and over, but still could not believe what I was reading. But that example is merely one small piece of the giant puzzle, looking at that piece alone, most Christians would quickly dismiss it. Why? Because they don't want their "world rocked." They don't want some Interent Opeth showing them that their religion is based on pagan philosophy, older religions, charismatic authrors, and pompous nationalists. Their subjective minds would quickly dismiss me. They would seek shelter from a learned person of their religious beliefs, so they can sigh and say see, we are correct after all.
“This is correct Opeth, many people are afraid that someone will come along and burst their bubble and not just their religious bubble either, but for those of us whom do not fear anymore or anyone, for those of us whom has suffered in sin over and again until the very thought of life became unbearable, we did not find our comfort in words, world views or religions, but in the profoundness of answers found only within our very own being!”
Stephanos answered your question:
My salvation experience with God was not a desire for religion, or self-improvement, I literally could not shake his persistence in my life to show me that he is the Lord.
“One of the better-said lines I’ve read since this thread started,” this is it! If ever there was a greater reason to believe in anything, it is under this premise, (persistence in my life). And this term, (persistence in my life), is probably more profound than I am giving it right now.
If we search the mare reasoning’s as to why one wanders and adventure in any aspect, that (persistence in my life), would probably be the very thing that drives every human being.
And yes, even the Bible could be wrong; after all, it was translated, written and re-written by man over a thousand times. Everything little thing that we argue, fuss, lie and die for could be wrong, but one thing that is never wrong is that, persistence in our lives!
I believe people that argue for and against a subject like religion are burden with the worlds problems burning deep within the pits of their inner being. The argument is to find satisfaction to the persistence, in order clam that or those nagging questions. I.e., if there is a God, then why is there so much suffering? Could you see God trying to answer each of our petty little questions, why? why?, why?, why?,why? We sound like a little two-year-old that makes our eyes roll up in the back our heads with all the questioning. Excuse me God but you have ten billion, nine hundred and forty seven thousand, six hundred and thirty three questions to answer this morning, LOL.
God gave each of us our own heart to feel with, our own mind to think with and our own soul to be accountable for. In return, we’ve given Him hearts of stone, minds that conceive with the seven deadly sins, and souls we care no more about then a piece of trash blowing in the wind. We have seen His works, we have seen His wonders and we have heard His word all around us. Yet, we have eyes and cannot see, we have ears and cannot hear. Not one bad thing in the history of this world can be attributed to God. The reason why there is so much suffering in this world is because of mans greed, and hatred of each other! In fact, every monstrosity committed on the face of this earth, was done so by humans lack of faith in God and love of each other.
My persistence drove me to these conclusions. There really isn’t that many categories that mankind fit into when it comes to God. I came up with only three:
1. True believers – The children of the Shepard
2. Fence straddlers -
a. I believe, but some things don’t add up - Doubting Thomas
b. I don’t know what to believe - Neither hot nor cold
c. I don’t believe in God, but I agree with some of the teachings of Christ – Heal
3. The non-believers – The children of the lake of fire
These were some of my answers to my own questions. And as you can see, I am not alone in my thoughts. All these things that we argue about today have been argued about before, all throughout history, yet as each human finds their own answer, another finds their question. Each of us has this persistence inside of us, driving us for answers to our questions of life, education, love and anything else. And that persistence could very well be the presence of God Himself in each of us.
Over the weekend I was watching a religious show on television. The segment of the show I caught was a sermon on the presence of God, in relationship with Cane going out of the presence of God when he left the Garden of Eden. The pastor went on to explain that Cane was still actually in Gods presence since God is everywhere simultaneously, but that God have left Canes’ spiritual presence. Another sample that he used was Sampson, and how the presence of God was with him when he slew guards with the jawbone of a donkey, but that God had left the presence of Sampson when Delilah was to cut his hair.
Now this is where my confusion begins with listening to religious leaders whom would lead nations of people, without knowing in my own heart, my relationship with God. “I do not believe that God leaves anyones presence, but it is us that leave His presence!” If I may expound on my own feelings concerning the presence of God, I would say that it was Cane who left the presence of God and not the other way around. I say this because after cane slew Able, he still could have found redemption with God at God coming to him in the Garden asking him of Able. When Cane lied, he removed himself from Gods presence. If I may expound more of Cane, in whom, and what Cane represent. Cane was the first man born of man and woman, he was the first murderer, he told the first lie and he is the father of many nations that followed in his footsteps. This is the blood that flows through the bloodlines of the children of the lake of fire.
Now to show you that God is a forgiving God, God gave us Seth, whom is the father of all those great prophets that God set before us to carry the truth of His word to all the nations. Now Adam and Eve had more children but Seth was the one chosen to father a great nation of prophets, because “he” never left the presence of God.
There were other children born in the Garden of Adam and Eve, and those other children could very well represent Sampson. They are the fence straddlers I mentioned. Sampson knew the presence of God but chose to leave God presence in search of his lust for Delilah. So God was not with Sampson on that day or any other day that Sampson was in pursuit his own lustful pleasures. God had plans for Sampson but Sampson chose to chase around a piece of tail. In the end, Sampson had to have his eyes plucked from his head before he could see his way back to God. Hence the expression, it is better to enter the kingdom of Heaven blinded, and limbless than to go to hell whole. You see there were Doubting Thomases long before that day when Thomas sought to poke his finger through the hole in Jesus hand. Plus, we seek too much proof of Gods existence from the people who put him to His death.
While Job is probably the greatest example of man holding on to the presence of God if you choose to believe it, Noah is probably our greatest example of fence straddling by humans, because all while denying the existence of God some of these noted professors, scientist, make-believers and non-believers alike spend billions of dollars searching for Noah’s Ark for proof.
Even with all these unexplainable things right in front of us, we still bring in all these noted professors and scientist to tell us if what’s right in front of our faces believable. And you know what, they won’t give you a straight answer because most of them don’t really know the truth or believe it themselves, and some others are too afraid of staking their reputations on what they believe the truth is. But believe me, there are some that will give it to you straight from the hip in plain everyday English.
The bottom line is this, no one can tell you or convince of God existence. If you can’t see it around you in our lakes and land, in our love for each other, or in the eyes of a child, then you probably won’t see it until something drastic happens in your life and there’s no where else to turn just like a lot of us had to experience. Unfortunate for many others, and myself it still might be too late, because some of us have sinned far beyond what Cane ever did!
I can expound further into this but I just wanted you to know that I’m always present, LOL.
I really enjoyed some of these last few entries, some really good reads here, thanks for sharing them, everyone.....
The Napkin Writer
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